Originally Posted by 757690
Craig plays firstbase, poorly. It's easy to get a decent hitting bad glove 1B. He's Lyle Overbay, Adam LaRoche, Scott Hatteberg. He's a middle of the pack 1B. Not a bad player, a nice player to have in the cheap. But every team can find guys like this to play first base. He's not an All-Star, and definitley not an MVP candidate, but he's on many people's list this year.
Bruce is an above average fielder and base runner. He clearly one if the best RF'ers in the league. The game isn't all about offense.
I have to respond to this. I know you have a bent against Cards players, which is to be expected here, but do you actually believe what you type? First off, how can a player be overrated if he hasn't really been highly rated in the first place? Until very recently, I haven't seen much national attention given to him. Secondly, you might want to check some advanced statistics when you say he's a poor fielder. He's posting a 2.2 UZR at 1B this year. While that isn't spectacular, it also shows he hasn't been a liability there this season. I tread lightly when it comes to using errors as a major point but it should be noted that he's only made 1 error this year with a 2B who is learning the position and Pete Kozma at SS most of the year. He's been competent when there have been bad throws to him.
In your previous post, you said "That's fine, Lyle Overbay territory, but Craig was an All-Star this year (mostly because he got hot right at the break)". Huhh?? Did you even look at the stats at all?
Here is Craig's month by month breakdown:
April/March: .263 .297 .358 .655
May: .356 .414 .538 .952
June: .330 .357 .528 .885
July: .311 .379 .411 .790
August: .296 .418.407.826
Those stats do not suggest a player making the AS team due to only getting hot right at the break. He's been one of the best hitters in baseball most of the year and there is no statistical evidence you can bring to the table to refute that.
He doesn't deserve to be an AS? Who else besides Goldy and Votto would you have picked over Craig to play 1B in the AS game? Freddie Freeman would have been the only other logical choice and when the AS selection was given, Allen Craig was having a better statistical season than Freeman.
What is always noted about Allen Craig in the national media, more so than his overall ability, is his numbers with RISP. Is that overrated? He led the NL in batting average with RISP last year in the NL and he has an insane .447 BA this year with RISP. Since he's been in the majors, he's been hitting .390 with men in RISP. Pound for pound he's been one of the best RBI and situational hitting baseball players since he first came up from the minors.
You can hate the Cardinals, it's to be expected here. However, don't let your hate blind you to the point of insanity. I don't think he's even close to being a league MVP (esp. when Neck Tats is the clear Cardinals MVP) but to say he's overrated simply doesn't jive with any sane statistical analysis.
EDIT: One other thing. I'm pretty sure most Reds fans would want the "middle of the pack 1B" Allen Craig playing LF for them. It's not easy to find someone who puts up monster numbers year in and year out so don't dilute yourself in thinking that they grow on trees just to justify your silly stance on Allen Craig.