Originally Posted by Patrick Bateman
So we should just ignore everything except homeruns then? A leadoff walk in the 9th has no value? Are all games suddenly 1 run affairs the moment the 9th inning hits? The 9th, like every other inning, follows normal run scoring rules. Acquiring bases and hitting for power is how you score runs. You need a combo of both.
BTW, Morneau hasn't been a particularly good homerun hitter at 1st base for quite some time. And since when did homeruns guarantee wins?
I never said that obp and ops were bad indicators of player or team performance. I think they are good indicators, and id have to be pretty dense to say otherwise, but by no means are they the end all be all like we assume at RZ a lot of the time. There are plenty of more indicators. Such as average HR productive outs plate approach and gasp RBI.
I'm fully aware you acquire runs under the same circumstances in the 9th as any other inning but I'm equally as aware that every baseball game that has been won has been won because the winning team acquired more runs than their opponent not necessarily more bases and extra bases. Number of bases and extra bases is and indicator that runs may be created but not a definite. Just like a walk is a chance to create a run but a home run is a run guaranteed. And no home runs do not guarantee wins but they no more guarantee a win it not than a walk or by acquiring more bases than your opponent. You win games by scoring runs. You score runs by acquiring bases. But by acquiring more bases you do not necessarily guarantee yourself more runs than your opponent. It's is only an indicator that more runs crated may be occurring and that's what I was saying. It's an indicator of success not success itself and it is by no means the end all be all way to evaluate a player.
And btw I do know morneau hadn't been the same player recently as in the past and I wasn't saying I want him in the reds. I was saying I think he'll probably contribute more to helping the pirates win down the stretch than Presley.