Originally Posted by bucksfan2
Yesterday I saw a tweet that the Browns were shopping Gordon and Little. If they aren't trying to tank the season then I don't know what they are trying to do. You can agree or not the merits of the trade, but when you are trying to trade your best WR after you traded your best skill player you aren't trying to win football games. If I were a fan that would be the most disheartening part, not the trading of players, but the giving up on a season. I have been there many times before as a Bengals fan, but still enjoyed sitting down and watching 3 hours of football on Sunday.
The Browns for years haven't had skill players on offense. And I will contend that the pick of Mack wasn't a good pick in itself. You can't trade down and trade down again when you need skill players and take a C with your first pick. They have had 2 first rounders before and ended up with Thomas and Quinn and then Richardson and Weedon.
I don't know much about the new ownership. I do know that he likes football better than their prior owner but also he is the subject of a FBI investigation. I don't have a clue if Chud and Turner will be a good combo. I do know that the front office's method right now isn't a fan friendly method. It doesn't make sense to go in and say your QB of one season isn't a good fit. They are going about it in a manner that most front offices don't. In the NFL you don't see fire sales, you don't see tanking seasons, you don't see moves like the Browns made. It may work it may not. All I know is right now what they did would irritate me as a fan.
There is some truth to what you're saying buck. I read the articles on them shopping Gordon and Little. And they had some offers that they have also rejected. The GM responded they aren't going to give them away either. They are looking for specific talent and they know what these guys are worth.
I hope they don't get rid of Gordon. As for Little? I won't miss him. Inconsistent. He reminds me of Braylon Edwards. He'll make a spectacular catch that will make the highlight film, but then drop 3-4 routine passes in a game.
And the reason they drafted Mack was because they direly needed a center to shore up, at that time, a huge weakness (offensive line). I had no problem with it, because I'm one who believes your offensive line is the "heart" of your team. And draft picks like Mack and Thomas have greatly improved it. But again, the problem has been getting those key offensive talent that stands behind that line .... QB, RB, and especially a down field threat in WR.
It makes perfect sense for the new management, and especially coaching staff, to say the QB of only one season is not a good fit if that ownership and coaching staff wasn't there, didn't draft him, and sees he doesn't fit the offensive scheme they are trying to build.
I agree, seeing what just went down with Richardson, how it would irritate Brown fans, and especially season ticket holders. I was initially pee-d off. WTF??? But I've had time to sit back and look at it more in-depth and I understand (and agree) with what they are trying to do.... IF they can do it.
They've also let it be known they are going for a "franchise" QB, and will also be aggressively pursuing Texans’ RB Ben Tate in the off-season.
Going into this season, most Brown fans were optimistic seeing the "improvement" on this team, even though we once again finished at 5-11. There were some who held out hope we might be able to get a WC this year; but most projections I saw had us realistically going 7-9 or 8-8. And while that is an improvement, it ain't much to get excited about.
And you would know and agree with that as a Bengal fan. I also follow (root) for the Bengals. Have done so since they entered the NFL in the 60s. Loved that game this last Sunday as I watched both the Browns and Bengals. But they hit rock bottom before Marvin Lewis was brought in. Now my brother, who is a die-hard Bengal fan, hates Lewis. Lewis definitely turned the organization around, brought some respectability, but, according to my brother, he will never take them to that "next level".
The Browns started out this year 0-2. And the offense, as it has been the trend, has looked terrible. Especially in the redzone. And, IMO, even if they hadn't traded Trent, I saw them, once again, winning no more then 5 or 6 games because of this offense
It has to stop. Especially when you have built a sound squad on the other side of the ball (defense).
Again - we haven't got anything to lose. But I don't think they are having a fire sale or purposely trying to tank the season. When you only win 4-5 games a season there's nothing to tank! LOL
It's about long term consistency. If they can accomplish it, then Brown fans, who have already endured frustration for the last 14 years, will forgive/forget it.
And while the Vikings have their problems too... I have to admit, what I saw from the the Brown's offense with Hoyer, getting Gordon back, and TE Cameron, did impress me.
They weren't coached, nor played, like a team that was tanking anything.