Originally Posted by bucksfan2
My problem with the Mack pick is when you have massive needs across the entire, trading down and drafting a C with your first pick isn't getting the best value. C may be the most important position on the line but it isn't the most valuable. You can find centers late in the draft and even groom rookie FA centers.
The current Browns regime can't change the past. They can't change that the previous FO thought it was worth it to trade up for Richardson and draft Weeden. In the NFL you can't change everything in a year. I can understand the trade but I still don't think it was a smart move. The Browns have made it evident that they NEED a QB in next year's draft. The problem when you go out there with a NEED, is if your guy is gone you often times reach. You end up with a Blane Gabbart or Christian Ponder. The jury is still out on Locker but I think he was a reach as well. If you look at most of the later on QB picks, they were picked because a team liked them but they didn't have a NEED for them right away.
You win in the NFL with talent. The Browns may have beat the Vikings, but they aren't as talented of a team as they were in week 2. They "tanked" the season because their FO decided it was time to trade one of their most dangerous weapons after week 2 and made it evident that they were going to draft a QB. The ironic thing is the defense is pretty stout and if they would have made a move in trading a 2nd for Alex Smith they may have been a 9-7 football team or potentially better if there D stays stout.
Again buck, a lot of what you state is true. And as you say - "you can't change the past" - so there is really no reason to re-hash it as far as the Browns goes. They came back into the league as an "expansion" team, and it's going to be rough goings for those new teams the first few years as they try to build something.
But then it turned into, as I stated earlier, a comedy of errors, and mainly, IMO, from bad ownership decisions. And I refer to Randy Lerner, who took over when his Dad (Al) passed away. He tried and made a sincere effort, but being an NFL owner was not his passion, and he had minimal knowledge or interest. He was a square peg in a round hole. He was low-key who relied on delegating those responsibilities to others, which isn't necessarily a bad thing, but he simply could never figure this NFL ownership thingy out and was in over his head to the point of frustration. In most people's minds, especially Brown fans, they celebrated when he sold them.
As far as the present? ..... there's no denying the current owner, management (Lombardi, Banner), and coaching staff, were on the hot seat when they took over to turn things around. And that seat is now even hotter with the trade.
But after watching this offense (especially Weeden) in that 0-2 start, this team would be lucky to win 4 games IMO. So I really have no problem with what they did. And it's not the only change.
But as far as evaluation goes, we will only now for sure if this was a good/bad move by the results of next years draft... and also how successful TR is at Indy. And it's not only about the two picks in the first round either. They have 10 picks overall.