I followed Boss and GIK from Cincy.com. I remember Boss originally tried to set up something through ICQ, I believe. He really tried lots of different things to get out of the Cincy.com mess. It was awful without a real moderator. He finally hooked up with GIK and now you see what we have....a great site that is very much under control. Boy, some of those old memories of Nux and his sort are thankfully fading. It sure was interesting though.