Originally Posted by westofyou
Oh please, if you occasionally used stats, projections ect.. I wouldn't poke at you. .
Translation.. "stats are the most important thing.. in fact the only thing."
This line of thinking makes you very predictable.. like "Guillen is a fluke", for example. Because the fact that a player could make an adjustment at that age is such a foreign concept.. because the stats can't predict it.
That is my beef with the stats only approach.
But that's not my main problem... You ran out of things to say, so you had to say, "You probably hated the bichette trade that brought Reitsma here" (paraphrased).. Why was there a need to add that?.. For the record, I didn't mind the bichette trade, even though I felt Bichette was underrated here (his OPS was about the same as Young and Casey during his stay here).. But I can understand trading an old 6 million dollar OF for a young prospect when you are out of it.. I have less understanding why a rebuilding team that needs pitching would trade their "most outstanding pitcher" from the previous year who was only making 900k, for what appears (IMO) to be 2 future middle relievers of less quality.. But as I said, if we can get 3-4 years of solid relief from those guys (ie. not Reith-like).. the trade is ok.. Ironically, my criteria for success of that trade is much lower than most on the board.
So please refrain from making up stuff or making wild guesses at what I said in the past to hurt my crediblity. I don't care if stats are the only thing that matter to you, but don't misrepresent what I said..
If you define crap as future middle relievers, that's your definition. (You claimed I was portraying them as crap).
I didn't say those 2 prospects were crap. We are going to need middle relievers in a couple years too (along with just about everything else)..
So if Bong/Nelson fill that need, that is not too bad.. I did call them disappointing (or something to that effect), but that's because I expected Bong to be ML ready. To me, a ML ready guy is a lot more valuable than a "maybe in 2-3 years".. Also, that's part of the reason I have soured a little on Clausen.. My informal "scout" has not been impressed. Even the Reds brass would rather have Valentine up here than Claussen..