Originally Posted by flyer85
They both have a track record of pitching well in 2001-2003, certainly better than Todd Jones had going in to 2004. Weathers was down a little and Weber was awful in 2004.
Seeing them rebound to a 2003 type performance is not an unreasonable expectation.
Honestly, I'm not sure what a reasonable expectation is for either one. I haven't looked that deeply into the matter.
Weber was injured last year so that may or may not have a spillover effect. If he's 100% and still in possession of his former repertoire, his sinker could be an effective pitch in "the world's smallest rainforest."
As wheels noted, neither of these guys is blessed with great stuff. Pitchers like that can go fast. The Reds have been very good about finding relievers under rocks in the past, but in the JimBo regime the focus was on collecting younger guys with big arms. The DanO regime seems to prefer older guys with pitchability (baseball's code for "a certain je ne sais quoi"). The DanO model seems more susceptible to backfiring, at least that's my take. IMO, the Reds would do well to get a solid year out of one of these guys. If both deliver that's gravy. If neither deliver it's time to reconsider the model.