Wrong, the league's most overated QB was brought down to earth on Sunday. His name is Manning, and he showed what he's like when he has to play outside on real grass. (On Friday Phil Simms called Manning the "Michael Jordan of the NFL". Think he'd like to have that statement back?).
Mutaman, I hate Peyton Manning. Cannot stand him. Watching him call 40,000 audibles per game and move around in the backfield the way he does is like watching a "very special episode" of Family Matters
(And he makes playing the Colts on Madden almost unbearable. Is there a cheat code to make it stop?)
But the guy is not overrated. Anyone who thought he would throw for 400 yards and 5 TD against the Pats defense in the snow would have lost many a bet. Yes, the importance of having a guy like Manning can be overstated - he doesn't win games by himself- but geesh, the guy will go down as one of the best ever. That comes from someone who cannot stand the guy. Feel the same way about Eli. How sweet was it to watch the Chargers make the playoffs and see the Giants stay home?
The Brady argument is an interesting one. Someone said the other day that he is already a shoo-in hall of famer because of the 2 Super Bowls.
Personally, I think SuperBowls are overrated, at least in looking at an individual's performance. There is no way you would ever convince me that say, Phil Simms was a better QB than John Elway in 1986-87, yet Simms and the Giants won the Super Bowl. Super Bowls are won by teams, and I think Elway is the perfect example of this. When the NFC dominated the AFC all those years (they had better teams, imagine that), it had nothing to do with John Elway. Yet he was the goat of the team in some respects. When he finally got a running back and a great defense, the Broncos finally won a Super Bowl.
There was an article rating the best QBs a few months ago on espn.com, and Joe Montana was rated the best ever. All the panelists voting mentioned the Super Bowls that "he" won. I really find this a frustrating argument, because Joe Montana would not have won many Super Bowls playing for most other teams.
John Elway would have been number 1 on espn's list, but one sportswriter placed him 12th or 13th, thus assuring Montana the number one spot.
Can you imagine what Elway would have done on those 49er teams? Now imagine Joe Montana playing on the Broncos those years? Who do you think would have won more Super Bowls? Warren Moon would have made a killing playing for San Francisco.
For me, it's the team, not the QB, when it comes to Super Bowl wins.
Brady benefits from a terrific supporting cast, and while he is better than a Trent Dilfer, should not be cast into the hall of fame just because he has won 2 Super Bowls. I hate, hate, hate, how much Super Bowls are taken into account for the Pro Football hall of fame.
The same goes for all-time best lists. On on hand, they'll call Anthony Munoz the best tackle of all time - and he did not win any Super Bowls- yet Joe Montana can be considered the best QB of all time simply because he won so many. I'll take a lot of flack for this, but Joe Montana was not anywhere near the most talented QB that I have ever seen. Marino, Moon, Elway, Manning- now those are quarterbacks. Any one of those guys could have racked up Super Bowl rings playing for a team like the Niners. Heck, David Krieg would have won 4 Super Bowls playing for them.
To me, when we ask the question "Who is the best?" we should look at the player and not just how well their teams did. A great player can contribute to a team's winning, obviously, but an athlete can play wonderfully and still not win much. Earl Campbell played for some terrible Oilers teams, yet he was incredible. Same goes for Walter Payton. When the Bears finally won the Super Bowl, Walter was the same player he had been up until that point- he just finally had a team around him, so they won. Imagine that.
I'll get off my soapbox now and remind everyone that the planets have aligned in some strange fashion if GAC and I have agreed on anything.
I will admit GAC, when I saw that you responded to this post, I thought we would have something brand new to argue about.
Clarence Thomas, however, is another matter.