Originally Posted by CougarQuest
Does it really make sense that the Reds get major league ready Josh Hancock and AAA ready Anderson Mercado for 36 year old relief pitcher Todd Jones and single A outfielder Brad Correll, and then 9 days later the Reds only get low A pitcher Joe Wilson and low A outfielder Jacon Moran and cash for 32 year old starting pitcher Cory Lidle from the same organization?
The more I think about this, the more I think we are going to get someone off the 40 from the Phils.
Actually, I get the opposite feeling. I see the PTBNL/Cash deal to be one of those value equitable deals dependant on Lidle's performance. And honestly, I'm not sure that the "cash" potential isn't more highly valued than the "PTBNL" side in order to recoup the net value loss the Reds took on Lidle this season.
Now, I didn't mind the Jones deal. It was what it was. But Anderson Machado puts the "fringe" in the phrase "fringe prospect". In fact, he's the guy Scouts talk about when they begin a sentence with "If he hits...". I honestly have much higher hopes for a Ray Olmedo than I do a Machado, regardless of his BB numbers (ooh...heresy, I know). Josh Hancock might technically be "MLB-ready" but he doesn't really project to be "MLB-good".
I've said it before and I'll say it again- The Jones deal was a Waiver Wire pickup for a couple of future Waiver Wire pickups.
In the Lidle deal, the Reds acquire a guy who smells a lot like Phil Dumatrait and another "If he hits..." speed-driven prospect (Moran). That's not a bad swap considering that Lidle has been a negative value for the Reds this season. Considering that the Padres dealt a comparable player (Valdez) for a Travis Chick, it's not a bad deal for the Reds at all. I'm a bit concerned with the offensive players O'Brien's getting back, but that's another conversation entirely.
But I do think the Reds did better much better from a "talent" perspective than the Jones deal. This offseason, they should be looking to package a couple of the guys they've received in these trades for truly projectible MLB-ready guys.
Of course, there's always the chance that Phils management might be even dumber than I thought, but I don't think we'll see any valuable MLB-ready player as the PTBNL for Lidle.
BTW, there are a couple different ways to look at the situational dynamic here:
1. Dan O'Brien (per Ed Wade) actually DID think the Reds were in contention before the July 31st deadline and only listened to offers out of courtesy.
2. Dan O'Brien positioned a "hardline" stance before the deadline to up the ante for other teams because he wasn't getting any offers as good as Wilson/Moran/Cash or PTBNL.
3. Dan O'Brien was never really negotiating with anyone other than the Phillies and they never offered anything as good as Wilson/Moran/Cash or PTBNL.
Now, considering that Dan O'Brien was restricted to negotiating with one team from August 1st on, is there anyone who feels that Dan O'Brien was able to get a bigger haul of talent in this deal than he was offered before the deadline?
Again, I don't mind the return. But if that's the return out of Lidle when O'Brien was restricted to one-team negotiating, does anyone else feel that there might have been more out there?