Originally Posted by traderumor
You're living in the past. Mike Brown changed, he did exactly what you said he should do. He is not the GM, Marvin, Katie and Troy have their fingerprints on everything. And I have to say right now, I think the gene skipped a generation and went to the granddaughter, she seems to have a nose for running this franchise, and seems to be the one who has her dad's ear that keeps him at a distance, where he needs to be. Katie is the one who went to bat to bring in Marvin, her dad wanted Coughlin. That was one of the biggest turning points in franchise history, and they continue to head the right direction.
Everything you said in your most recent post may have been true at one time, but the recent actions of the franchise indicate that Mike Brown finally realized he is a better administrator than talent evaluator and hired someone to do a job he had failed at.
I guess your evidence of that are the Bengals PR pieces.
If that's enough for you, I've got nothing for you. Who can argue with Jack Brennan and what he's told to say?
I'll stick with the facts as laid out at http://www.bengals.com/team/frontoffice.asp
...and the results of free agency where, whoever-is-in-charge continues to demonstrate that he himself is on a leash,
whether you want to believe that that is self-imposed or imposed from above.
Honestly, trade, forgoodnessakes... name me one other team in the HISTORY OF THE N-F-bygawd-L where the President, the Business Manager, and the TWO player personnel people all are RELATED... ???
If Mike Brown has turned this page as you allege, where has he added ANYONE from outside his football and/or physical family other than Lewis??? It's a frickin puppet show of football inbreeding.
You hint that you think Brown has given Lewis the general manager duties. Okay. Riddle me this. If that were really and truly so, why on earth wouldn't Marvin have the title? Chew on that awhile. Why would Brown keep that designation from Lewis? And before you utter your first excuse for that, pray tell, who represents the Bengals when the league holds general manager meetings?
And if Katie is handling the business side so aptly, what the hell does the President of the company do with his time now?
Brown isn't stupid -- he knows to keep a low profile given the backlash post-LeBeau. Should we be surprised that everything coming out of Bengals HQ ignores the President's role in anything? I mean, who can be mad at Katie? Who can be mad at Marvin?
Gotta give Brennan credit... the propaganda has apparently been masterful at taking the target off of Mike Brown's head.
Finally, let me pass along this training camp Marvin Lewis Q&A and its link for your indigestion (http://www.fantasyfootballcafe.com/f...ic.php?t=10097
GH: Has Mike given you everything you wanted?
ML: I don't know what he's given me. We work together.
GH: Has he given you free reign?
ML: I don't know if it's free reign or not. Mike has been very supportive of the things we feel it takes to win. He's been 100 percent supportive of everything. And that's all I can ask for. We're not always going to agree, and we've been able to sit down and discuss why we don't agree and come to a solution and that's our way.
It's not Mike's way and it's not necessarily my way. It's been our way. That's important for the coaches to know that and understand that. We're not going to be a split camp. There's no way in the NFL where you can function for very long like that.
GH: Have you been split on a lot of things because it looks to be smooth?
ML: I'm sure we have split on things.
GH: More than you thought you would?
ML: I don't think about it. Obviously, I was excited about coming here and working with Mike after we had our two face-to-face meetings. It's been great. When I don't get to talk to him, like being away or on vacation, and we don't get to sit down, I miss talking to him every day because he has a lot of insights. He's very thorough. He's a deep thinker and he always listens. He's a good resource for me.
GH: Has it been smoother than you thought it would be?
ML: It's been very smooth. The one thing is, I enjoy it. I enjoy our management, and the people I work for and with.
GH: Because you have such a close working relationship with Mike, you almost seem like a general manager.
ML: Not me. I'm just a football coach that wants to win. I don't need to be any more than that.
...wow ...Arthur Murray has nothing on ol' Marvin... the interviewer gave him every chance to make it clear that Marvin gets what Marvin wants, and all Marvin could do was backpedal and sidestep... well, at least until that last line where he makes it crystal clear... "I"m just a football coach... I don't need to be any more than that."
So much for the uninvolved reincarnate Mike Brown.
And, so much for my "living in the past."
Looks more like history repeating itself to me. I doubt you'd get any different answers from what Dick LeBeau or any of his predecessors would have said about Brown.
So much for "Mike Brown changed, (and) he did exactly what you said he should do"...
So much for "He is not the GM, (and) Marvin, Katie and Troy have their fingerprints on everything"...
And, so much for "Mike Brown finally realized he is a better administrator than talent evaluator and hired someone to do a job he had failed at."
No less than Marvin himself disputes with your conclusions.
You can even argue how much he's taking Marvin's recommendations, and for the sake of argument let's even say he is giving Marvin 90% of everything he asks for...
The point remains... the one thing that you cannot deny is that Mike Brown has, in no way, removed himself from being General Manager and having the final say on who is acquired and how much will be spent.
The day Brown hires a no-doubt-about-it general manager is the day you will be able to credibly testify to his conversion, and potentially, his redemption...
Until then, all he's done, for a change, is hire a good coach, and one from outside "the family."
Said horse beaten. Beaten profusely.
So now... as the grand kahuna of comedy might say, "this time I'm bein honest with you when I say"
... the last word is yours... no... really.