Originally Posted by Terry
No kidding. And the worst of those are guys like WOY and Steel, who are totally obsessed with trying to convince others that Adam Dunn belongs in the same category as Ted Williams, Mickey Mantle, and other HOFers of that caliber. At this point Dunn needs to start putting up numbers that might occasionally get him into an all-star game before he gets mentioned as a HOF type player. To read some of these posts you'd think Dunn was a leadoff hitter who hits a ton of home runs. But what he really is is a clean-up type power hitter who hits for a low average, and an even lower average when it counts -- w/RISP. Until he starts driving in more runs he'll never be fully accepted by Reds fans IMO.
I'm sorry, but I really find this laughable.
1. I highly
doubt WOY and Steel are "obsessed" with convincing others that Dunn is Mantle. What happens, IMO, is that so many people put forth the same arguments against Dunn (Ks, BA w/RISP, BA in general, etc.) that other people (such as WOY and Steel) are constantly having to repeat themselves as to why Dunn IS a good offensive player. I've even found myself doing it (such as right now), because it is hard for me to understand how, if someone has looked at Dunn's numbers, that person can then still think Dunn is bad.
2. Dunn has already
put up numbers required to occasionally go to an All-Star game. He's been once already. Last year he had one of the best offensive seasons EVER by a Reds player: 80+ extra base hits; 100+ runs scored; 100+ RBI; 100+ walks. Just so I'm clear on that: What we saw Dunn do last year has only ever been done by a handful of Reds in the entire history
of the organization. And he's only 25 years old.
3. It's darn well near impossible for Dunn to be any type of clean-up hitter, good or bad, when his manager bats him 6th and 7th more times than not. As it is now, Dunn has lead off more innings than anyone on this team except Ryan Freel. So what you suggest about people thinking he's a lead-off hitter who hits a lot of home runs has a little more truth to it than you think.
4. It's been addressed a gazillion times on here already, but just for fun, let's take another look at Dunn's number "when it counts." This is this year:
Situation; BA; OBP; SLG; OPS
Runners on: .256/.481/.567/1.048
Runners ISP: .196/.461/.451/.912
Runners ISP, 2 outs: .176/.457/.348/.805
Close and late: .229/.372/.514/.886
Yes, his BA is low. But look at his OBP in those situations. When Dunn comes up with runners on base, he himself gets on base 48% of the time. That is 48% of his ABs with runners on in which he does not make an out. That's pretty fantastic.
As for driving in more runs: Sure, it would be nice. But he cannot help the following things: batting low in the lineup; not having runners on base to drive in; and getting pitched around when there are actually runners on base in front of him. How exactly should he drive more runs in, given the above?
There are certainly aspects of Dunn's game worth criticizing. Most of them have nothing to do with offense, yet that's what we hear the most about.