Originally Posted by rdiersin
I agree the differences between 2 and 3 are subtle and that over a season it is significant, but I reach a different conclusion. Over the season, the player that is more likely to be a run will be more productive because it is a TEAM game, not an individual. We just have a fundamental disagreement, you think that a player's job is bring every run home that is presented to him. I think that a player's job is to bring runs home AND score runs, and the only way you do that is to take what the pitcher is giving you and do your best to get on base.
Yes we seem to agree in certain areas but I guess fundamentally you are ok with just dismissing the situational and player-specific stuff as insignificant and I'm not.
How do you explain this?
2005 to Date
Griffey 47 Runs and 53 RBI = Total of 102
Dunn 57 Runs and 46 RBI = Total of 103
If you accept that generally speaking for a team (Runs + RBIs) / 2 = Actual Runs then for a player it should follow that as individuals these guys are each responsible for ~ 51 Runs
according to espn
Griff's Runs Created this year is 52.3 (close enough to ~51 for me)
Dunn's Runs Created this year is 61.5 (looks like an overstatement)
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I'm aware of the "team dependent" argument against RBIs but RBIs are no more "team dependent" than Dunn's 58 BBs which no doubt some are a function of his hitting in 6 hole and having the team's worst hitters following him - those same BBs that pump up that RC number.