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Oh, lgj, I have so much to teach you. What you say is true, but go ahead and present both sides to that story.
1. Let's include 1999 and 2000 in the analysis and let's see how the Reds compare with other small market teams, and even big market teams, in those years.
2. Share with us how many teams with higher payrolls last year had a worse record than the Reds.
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I have included 1993-2002 in my analysis, Bowden's tenure as GM of the Reds. I have included two categories: teams that have spent more and won less than the Reds, and teams that have spent less and won more than the Reds. I have indicated win totals. My data came from usatoday.com for salary and from baseballreference.com from win totals.
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why do I get the feeling that at that time, you would have been one of the first to claim that Bowden is an insensitive, unforgiving jackass for not wanting to keep a local legend around.
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Because you don't know me well at all and because you often rely on making assumptions?? I wouldn't have a problem with Bowden trading close to anyone if he didn't do it in such a classless manner in many cases (ignoring handshake agreements, printing false salary demands in newspapers).
Anyways, on to the analysis:
1993
Reds payroll: $42,851,167
Teams with payrolls greater than the Reds: 1, Toronto
Teams with payrolls smaller than the Reds: 26
Reds win total: 73
Number of teams that had a lower payroll than Reds and finished with more wins: 18 (Yankees, 88; Kansas City, 84; Cubs, 84; Braves, 104; Dodgers, 81; Boston, 80; Detroit, 85; Texas, 86; CWS, 94; San Francisco, 103; Seattle, 82; Houston, 85; Baltimore, 85; Philly, 97; Pitt, 75; STL, 87; Montreal, 94; Cleveland, 76)
Number of teams that had a higher payroll than Reds and finished with less wins: 0
1994
Reds payroll: $39,826,333
Teams with payrolls greater than the Reds: 6 (Yankees, Braves, Royals, Tigers, Giants, Blue Jays)
Teams with payrolls smaller than the Reds: 21
Reds win total: 66
Number of teams that had a lower payroll than Reds and finished with more wins: 3
(CWS, 67; Oakland, 68; Montreal, 74)
Number of teams that had a higher payroll than Reds and finished with less wins: 4 (Toronto, 55; KC, 64; Tigers, 53; Giants, 54)
1995
Reds payroll: $37,240,667
Teams with payrolls greater than the Reds: 5 (Yankees, Braves, Blue Jays, Orioles, CWS)
Teams with payrolls smaller than the Reds: 22
Reds win total: 85
Number of teams that had a lower payroll than Reds and finished with more wins: 2 (Cleveland, 100; Boston, 86)
Number of teams that had a higher payroll than Reds and finished with less wins: 4 (Yankees, 79; Toronto, 56; Orioles, 71; CWS, 68)
1996
Reds payroll: $40,719,334
Teams with payrolls greater than the Reds: 5 (Yankees, Braves, Indians, Orioles, CWS)
Teams with payrolls smaller than the Reds: 22
Reds win total: 81
Number of teams that had a lower payroll than Reds and finished with more wins: 9 (Boston, 85; Seattle, 85; STL, 88; Texas, 90; Colorado, 83; Dodgers, 90; Padres, 91; Houston, 82; Montreal, 88)
Number of teams that had a higher payroll than Reds and finished with less wins: 0
1997
Reds payroll: $46,267,000
Teams with payrolls greater than the Reds: 7 (Yankees, Braves, Rangers, Orioles, CWS, Indians, Marlins)
Teams with payrolls smaller than the Reds: 20
Reds win total: 76
Number of teams that had a lower payroll than Reds and finished with more wins: 13 (Anaheim, 84; Expos, 78; Boston, 78; Dodgers, 88; Rockies, 83; Seattle, 90; Mets, 88; Giants, 90; Astros, 84; Angels, 84; Brewers, 78; Tigers, 79; Pirates, 79)
Number of teams that had a higher payroll than Reds and finished with less wins: 0
1998
Reds payroll: $21,995,000
Teams with payrolls greater than the Reds: 26
Teams with payrolls smaller than the Reds: 3
Reds win total: 77
Number of teams that had a lower payroll than Reds and finished with more wins: 0
Number of teams that had a higher payroll than Reds and finished with less wins: 10 (KC, 72; Arizona, 65; TB, 63; KC, 72; Det, 65; Min, 70; Florida, 54; Phillies, 75; Mil, 74; Sea, 76)
1999
Reds payroll: $42,142,761
Teams with payrolls greater than the Reds: 19
Teams with payrolls smaller than the Reds: 10
Reds win total: 96
Number of teams that had a lower payroll than Reds and finished with more wins: 0
Number of teams that had a higher payroll than Reds and finished with less wins: 13 (Bal, 78; Boston, 94; Dodgers, 77; SF, 86; SD, 74; Col, 72; Cubs, 67; Mil, 74; STL, 75; Ana 70; Sea, 79; Tex 95; Tor, 84)
2000
Reds payroll: $44,217,500
Teams with payrolls greater than the Reds: 21
Teams with payrolls smaller than the Reds: 8
Reds win total: 85
Number of teams that had a lower payroll than Reds and finished with more wins: 2 (Oakland, 91; CWS, 95)
Number of teams that had a higher payroll than Reds and finished with less wins: 11 (Bal, 74; TB, 2000; Det, 79; Phillies, 65; SD, 76; Col, 82; Cubs, 65; Astros, 72; Anaheim, 82; Texas, 71; Tor, 73)
2001
Reds payroll: $48,784,000
Teams with payrolls greater than the Reds: 20
Teams with payrolls smaller than the Reds: 9
Reds win total: 66
Number of teams that had a lower payroll than Reds and finished with more wins: 8
(Anaheim, 75; Minn, 85; Mon, 68; Marlins, 76; Phillies, 86; Padres, 79; Oakland, 102; Mil, 68)
Number of teams that had a higher payroll than Reds and finished with less wins: 3 (Bal, 63; TB, 62; Pitt, 62)
2002
Reds payroll: $45,050,390
Teams with payrolls greater than the Reds: 22
Teams with payrolls smaller than the Reds: 7
Reds win total: 78
Number of teams that had a lower payroll than Reds and finished with more wins: 4 (Oakland, 103; Minnesota, 94; Montreal, 83; Florida, 79)
Number of teams that had a higher payroll than Reds and finished with less wins: 9 (Baltimore, 67; Cleveland, 74; KC, 62; Det, 55; NYM, 75; Col, 73; Cubs, 67; Brewers, 56; Texas, 72)
Bowden’s Tenure as GM:
Number of teams with small payrolls and higher win totals: 59
Number of teams with larger payrolls and lower win totals: 54
Grand Conclusion: The Oaklands of the world have beaten the Reds to a greater extent than the Reds have beaten up the Orioles and Tigers.