Originally Posted by remdog
As you yourself stated, WMP was a steal for the Reds and they had nothing to lose by being patient.
Did carrying him on the '03, '04 or '05 roster cost the Reds the pennant in any of those years? Obviously not. There are a lot of people in baseball that think highly of WMP's potential (including, apparently, Theo) so, from their POV, why not take a shot if it doesn't make a difference in your ability to win it all that year.
Though I disagree with this particular trade, apparently Theo Epstein thinks WMP is valuable enough to give up an established starter for him. So, starting with '03 and giving Willy Mo a little more playing time each year has gradually built his value to Bronson Arroyo. (shrug) Personally, I would have been of the mind to continue to build his value (we basically got him for free)---and let him be the starter in LF this year. Once again, it would make no difference to where the Reds finish (especially if you are of the mind that 2nd is the equivilent of last).
Sighting a rule that you yourself just became aware of less than an hour ago seems to be a bit of overkill in reguards to Bowden. Bowden knew what he was doing. Basically, he had a free play at the table and he bet big. Personally, I don't have a problem with that. (shrug) In this case, I see Krivsky betting small and that's his perogative. But I don't see it as a reason to criticize Bowden.
Bowden did well in acquiring Pena, and I certainly have to give him credit for moving Henson to acquire a guy that gave us big league production. He bought Pena low, and we ultimately sold him higher than we bought him, which is obviously a good thing, but I still have to wonder if we could have gotten a better return or better production out of Pena with proper management by both Bowden and O'Brien. Being a part-time player for three seasons couldn't have done Pena any favors in his development. Maybe he'd be better than what we've currently seen, maybe he won't be. Only time will tell if Boston or someone else ever lets him play regularly. I still have doubts about his ability to recognize good pitches and get on base at an even mediocre clip.
We could have dealt Pena prior to 2003, but who knows if what we would have gotten anything better than Bronson Arroyo for 2006 to presumably 2008.
I do agree we should have held on to Pena and put him in the OF every day this season to attempt to build his value, but unfortunately it's a moot point now. I also think the situation would be significantly better had O'Brien dealt Casey after 2004 so Pena could play every day in 2005, but he didn't do it, we're stuck with Williams and unfortunately that's all a moot point now too.
Who knows, maybe this is all built up frustration with the Reds' history of moving players at the inopportune time to move them.