Originally Posted by GoReds
Like many here, I grew up spending hours scrutinizing every detail of just about every box score I could get my hands on. Sunday came and I could spend half the day looking through the league leaders. Of course, this was mostly during the Big Red Machine days, so they were pretty easy to look at.
Spent a lot of time playing most baseball simulations and continuing to feed the stat Jones. Loved the stuff. Couldn't get enough.
But, what I've seen from many over the past couple of years has soured the milk a bit. Stats can certainly be used to prop up an argument and make the poster look like a genius and the guy you are responding too like a buffoon. Of course, it can go both ways, ad nauseum. Why you feel the need to beat every contrary opinion over the head with the bat of stats is beyond me.
This is a discussion of your own choosing. It would not exist had you not responded in the following fashion:
"I like Adam - he's a statistician's dream. But there are times - like now - when it seems that there are those who feel the need to prop him up at every turn, lest Adam not be worshipped for the demi-god that he has become."
I'm not sure why you felt that was necessary. The initial post in this thread asked who we felt was the Reds' MVP for April. Over the course of a calendar month, I equate MVP with who was most productive for the team. That's it. No "worshipping". No "demi-god" status. Nada. A simple post explaining who was the most productive player in April for the Reds.
Before continuing with this discussion, you need to ask yourself a simple question:
If Adam Dunn weren't the most productive Reds player in April, do you honestly think I'd vote for him knowing how many other players had an excellent month?
Seriously, knowing my slant in utilizing objective performance data coupled with the skill of others around these parts in sniffing out BS, do you really think I can create some bias-propelled snowjob argument that would falsely prop up Adam Dunn as the most productive player on the team regardless of his actual performance? If so, then you're vastly overestimating my skill level. The stuff I'm looking at is obvious. I'm unable to "twist" it. I can't possibly hide somone else's productivity because it's readily available to anyone who cares to look.
You don't equate "most productive" with "MVP"? Fine. I don't have a problem with you using more subjective criteria, whatever it is. In fact, I don't have an issue with any one of the 96 posters who voted for Bronson Arroyo regardless of their reasoning. Do I think they're wrong? Yep. But it's a freakin' month so who cares?
That being said, your initial post was nothing more than a rhetoric-laden attack and it was treated as such. My sin was to point out that Adam Dunn was more productive than any other Reds player in April. If someone posted such and was wrong, then you might have reason to question their motivation. But that wasn't the case so your suggestion that my selection was based on bias was misplaced. And your current inference that I've been doing nothing but lying with numbers is beyond misplaced.