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    Re: MLB investigating region in PED war - ESPN

    Quote Originally Posted by edabbs44 View Post
    Care to link to your source?
    Again, go to pubmed...it won't be hard. See if you independently arrive at the same conclusion without a biased introduction to the literature.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jojo View Post
    Again, go to pubmed...it won't be hard. See if you independently arrive at the same conclusion without a biased introduction to the literature.
    I think it would be easier if you sourced your claims. I can be objective, it's my job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by edabbs44 View Post
    I think it would be easier if you sourced your claims. I can be objective, it's my job.
    And I think it would be just as easy to try and prove me wrong and learn from the experience of it rather than just argue with me. This conversation has been had before. If you're not that interested just scroll through the archives.
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    Re: MLB investigating region in PED war - ESPN

    Quote Originally Posted by jojo View Post
    And I think it would be just as easy to try and prove me wrong and learn from the experience of it rather than just argue with me. This conversation has been had before. If you're not that interested just scroll through the archives.
    Yeah, I did my research and saw a bunch of aged studies and flawed analysis. Maybe I'm not seeing what you are. As I said, I'd be interested in reading where you drew your conclusions from.

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    Quote Originally Posted by edabbs44 View Post
    Yeah, I did my research and saw a bunch of aged studies and flawed analysis. Maybe I'm not seeing what you are. As I said, I'd be interested in reading where you drew your conclusions from.
    Start by finding as many articles that show a HGH-induced increase in athletic performance as you can.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jojo View Post
    Start by finding as many articles that show a HGH-induced increase in athletic performance as you can.
    From my research I have seen that:

    • HGH usage has been found to increase athletic performance
    • Previous studies, while headlining that HGH does not increase performance, have some wild caveats at the end that would call into question the relevance of the research.
    • Most (or even all) of the studies that I have found that dispute the benefits of HGH usage are from a while back. It is reasonable to believe that the understanding of HGH benefits will continue to evolve.

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    Re: MLB investigating region in PED war - ESPN

    http://news.cincinnati.com/apps/pbcs...T04/301300053/

    Fay Vincent: Treat druggies like Pete Rose

    And I didn't notice before but Yasmani Grandal got named in that list with ARod.
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    Re: MLB investigating region in PED war - ESPN

    Quote Originally Posted by _Sir_Charles_ View Post
    http://news.cincinnati.com/apps/pbcs...T04/301300053/

    Fay Vincent: Treat druggies like Pete Rose

    And I didn't notice before but Yasmani Grandal got named in that list with ARod.
    Yes America.... Fay Vincent is still alive. Yes, I too am shocked.

    Please continue.

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    Re: MLB investigating region in PED war - ESPN

    Can I just say I like this new "like" button? "Like" this comment if you agree.
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    Re: MLB investigating region in PED war - ESPN

    http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ryan-br...235650670.html

    Ryan Braun's name is in records of the Miami-area clinic.

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    Re: MLB investigating region in PED war - ESPN

    Quote Originally Posted by Gainesville Red View Post
    http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ryan-br...235650670.html

    Ryan Braun's name is in records of the Miami-area clinic.
    No new news there.
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    Re: MLB investigating region in PED war - ESPN

    Quote Originally Posted by Gainesville Red View Post
    http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ryan-br...235650670.html

    Ryan Braun's name is in records of the Miami-area clinic.
    I was about to post this article. Is anyone shocked at this point?
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    Re: MLB investigating region in PED war - ESPN

    Quote Originally Posted by MikeThierry View Post
    I was about to post this article. Is anyone shocked at this point?
    If he used PED's last year I wouldn't be the least bit surprised. He had more motivation and more reason to continue using than anyone.
    This is the time. The real Reds organization is back.

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    Re: MLB investigating region in PED war - ESPN

    I wonder if Brewer fans are going to continue to use the "tampered test" argument.
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    Re: MLB investigating region in PED war - ESPN

    Quote Originally Posted by Cedric View Post
    If he used PED's last year I wouldn't be the least bit surprised. He had more motivation and more reason to continue using than anyone.
    Once you've gotten off on a technicality you might as well go with what works!


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