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Thread: Fay: Rolen wants to play - do you want him back?

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    Fay: Rolen wants to play - do you want him back?

    "Since I've been with the Reds in 1989, we've never had a farm system this loaded," Bowden said. "If we were the New York Yankees and had unlimited dollars, we could have traded for Colon, (Jeff) Weaver, Rolen, (Cliff) Floyd, (Kenny) Rogers and Finley and gotten them all -- and still held onto our top five prospects. That's an amazing statement."

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    Re: Fay: Rolen wants to play

    Scotty waited too long to decide, IMHO.
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    Re: Fay: Rolen wants to play

    I think they'll sign him as a bench bat.
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    Re: Fay: Rolen wants to play

    You almost knew he wouldn't be ready to leave since it took so long to decide.

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    Re: Fay: Rolen wants to play

    Rolen really has no place on the team, as Hannahan has effectively taken his spot.

    Signing him now would mean one less OF.

    If he wants any kind of money, I'd pass anyway.

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    Re: Fay: Rolen wants to play

    Quote Originally Posted by PuffyPig View Post
    Rolen really has no place on the team, as Hannahan has effectively taken his spot.

    Signing him now would mean one less OF.

    If he wants any kind of money, I'd pass anyway.
    That's just simply not true. Yes, some difficult decisions would need to be made but if Walt and Dusty want Rolen back and Rolen wants to play, room will be made.

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    Re: Fay: Rolen wants to play

    I would rather sign him to play the 2nd half of the season... there will invariably be some injuries and he could help push the Reds down the home stretch.
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    Re: Fay: Rolen wants to play

    I don't see the Reds paying Jack Hanahan $1MM to play in AAA while paying Rolen a few million as well. But if Rolen signs, the Reds look like this:

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    C Hanigan (R)
    1B Votto (L)
    2B Phillips (R)
    SS Cozart (R)
    3B Frazier (R)
    RF Bruce (L)
    CF Choo (L)
    LF Ludwick (R)
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    C Mesoraco (R)
    OF Heisey (R)
    IF Donald (R) - only backup SS on the 40 man
    3B Rolen (R) - IF SIGNED
    That leaves one bench spot and no lefties on the bench. The options are Hannahan, Paul and Henry Rodriguez. So, do you send down the guy you just signed to backup 3B and whose primary asset is his glove or do you send down the OF who "earned" a spot in limited time last year.

    Personally, if they signed Rolen, I'd still carry Hannahan and send down Paul. Firstly, Paul and Hannahan are basically the same hitter; Paul just had a small sample BABIP blip in 2012. So the difference between them is glove value and flexibility.

    Because Frazier can play a credible OF, I think carrying Hannahan wins on two fronts. Firstly, he's a step up defensively from Rolen too at this point. So he still makes sense as late inning sub. Paul is an average OF defensively and a step down from Heisey. Having Hannhan lets you keep him available on the bench while starting Rolen and given Dusty the option to use an all RH OF against a really tough lefty. Frazier is also free to play 1B if needed. He'd still be the primary 3B, but it gives you more options.

    All things considered, given that its not my money, I'd take Rolen over Paul in a heartbeat, knowing that the on field difference is less significant than the value of having Rolen in the clubhouse. However, I'm not sure if Paul has an option. If he does, problem solved. If not, he may not clear waivers and that would leave the 40 man light on OF.
    Last edited by RedsManRick; 01-31-2013 at 12:08 PM.
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    Re: Fay: Rolen wants to play

    Quote Originally Posted by RedsManRick View Post
    I don't see the Reds paying Jack Hanahan $1MM to play in AAA while paying Rolen a few million as well. But if Rolen signs, the Reds look like this:

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    Locks (12)
    C Hanigan (R)
    1B Votto (L)
    2B Phillips (R)
    SS Cozart (R)
    3B Frazier (R)
    RF Bruce (L)
    CF Choo (L)
    LF Ludwick (R)
    ~~~~
    C Mesoraco (R)
    OF Heisey (R)
    IF Donald (R) - only backup SS on the 40 man
    3B Rolen (R) - IF SIGNED
    That leaves one bench spot and no lefties on the bench. The options are Hannahan, Paul and Henry Rodriguez. So, do you send down the guy you just signed to backup 3B and whose primary asset is his glove or do you send down the OF who "earned" a spot in limited time last year.

    Personally, if they signed Rolen, I'd still carry Hannahan and send down Paul. Firstly, Paul and Hannahan are basically the same hitter; Paul just had a small sample BABIP blip in 2012. So the difference between them is glove value and flexibility.

    Because Frazier can play a credible OF, I think carrying Hannahan wins on two fronts. Firstly, he's a step up defensively from Rolen too at this point. So he still makes sense as late inning sub. Paul is an average OF defensively and a step down from Heisey. Having Hannhan lets you keep him available on the bench while starting Rolen and given Dusty the option to use an all RH OF against a really tough lefty. Frazier is also free to play 1B if needed. He'd still be the primary 3B, but it gives you more options.

    All things considered, given that its not my money, I'd take Rolen over Paul in a heartbeat, knowing that the on field difference is less significant than the value of having Rolen in the clubhouse. However, I'm not sure if Paul has an option. If he does, problem solved. If not, he may not clear waivers and that would leave the 40 man light on OF.
    My thoughts exactly. The DL could be our friend in a case like this. May I just add, that if any 4 of the 8 starting spots go down for an extended period, the team is better with Rolen/Hannahan platooning at 3B and Frazier moving to the vacated spot than they would be with Paul or even Heisey playing every day.
    Last edited by mth123; 02-01-2013 at 12:36 AM.
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    Re: Fay: Rolen wants to play

    I won't put it past Rolen to hit .280 again. I just won't. But defensively, his range is getting close to poor. He's basically Miguel Cairo on the bench that can't play 2b (big deal). I'd be glad to have Scotty back, though. I like Rick's proposal to replace Paul.

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    Re: Fay: Rolen wants to play

    No matter if he plays or not ST will force the team to do roster gerrymandering and if everything is as normal guys with options will be on the fence if gerrymandering is needed.

    Sure he wants to play, sure no bat nice glove Hannahan makes 6 figures... but ST hasn't even started, this bubble thinking will start to pop once players get on the field and show they have nothing or something or break a bone, get a DUI or get traded.

    Everyone can come to ST, only 25 get to leave at the end.

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    Re: Fay: Rolen wants to play

    Quote Originally Posted by westofyou View Post
    No matter if he plays or not ST will force the team to do roster gerrymandering and if everything is as normal guys with options will be on the fence if gerrymandering is needed.

    Sure he wants to play, sure no bat nice glove Hannahan makes 6 figures... but ST hasn't even started, this bubble thinking will start to pop once players get on the field and show they have nothing or something or break a bone, get a DUI or get traded.

    Everyone can come to ST, only 25 get to leave at the end.
    Yep. And if someone goes to AAA they are only a phone call away. It's a long season.

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    Re: Fay: Rolen wants to play

    Quote Originally Posted by edabbs44 View Post
    Yep. And if someone goes to AAA they are only a phone call away. It's a long season.
    Assuming they pass through waivers.

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    Re: Fay: Rolen wants to play

    Quote Originally Posted by edabbs44 View Post
    Yep. And if someone goes to AAA they are only a phone call away. It's a long season.
    Done

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    Re: Fay: Rolen wants to play

    Quote Originally Posted by westofyou View Post
    No matter if he plays or not ST will force the team to do roster gerrymandering and if everything is as normal guys with options will be on the fence if gerrymandering is needed.

    Sure he wants to play, sure no bat nice glove Hannahan makes 6 figures... but ST hasn't even started, this bubble thinking will start to pop once players get on the field and show they have nothing or something or break a bone, get a DUI or get traded.

    Everyone can come to ST, only 25 get to leave at the end.
    Tony LaRussa will be at ST???


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