Boss-Hog (02-06-2013),MikeThierry (02-06-2013)
Why is Bronson Arroyo continously being lumped in with trash and garbage on this thread?
I've heard this kind of argument before, and frankly, it's insulting. I've been told by Browns fans that it's a joke we consider them such a rival because THEY don't even put us on the same plane of existence with their hatred of Baltimore and Pitt. Relax, Browns fan, we're rivals because we're in the same division, in the same state, fans of one team are more likely to know and regularly see fans if another. If any fan base should consider the other less of a rival, it's Bengals fans, since we've been beating them far more often in recent history.
As far as StL goes, you're our rival because you're really good, because we compete for the same division, we play 5 or 6 series a year, and because our respective teams clearly don't get along. Baseball rivalries are fluid. Some liked Boston/NYY are steeped in tradition. Some like Chi/StL are related to geography. But most have to do with who your main competition is at the time.
For a long time, the Reds rivals were La. Then it was Houston. Now neither of those teams are relevant rivalry wise.
Ill give you KC and Chi, but if you asked most NYM or LA fans if the Cardinals were a rival, rheyd probably laugh and say ""What what are you talking about?"
(Referring to Jack Hannahan signing with a Korean team)
Since there are no teams on the moon, I guess South Korea's far enough from Cincinnati to satisfy me.
-RichRed
RedsfaninMT (02-06-2013)
"No matter how good you are, you're going to lose one-third of your games. No matter how bad you are you're going to win one-third of your games. It's the other third that makes the difference." ~Tommy Lasorda
Patrick Bateman (02-06-2013),vaticanplum (02-06-2013)
My point was our rivalry is not one of hatred in my eyes. Hate is a word used regularly by posters on the board when talking about the cardinals franchise, their personnel, and their fans. Maybe im just never at the right place or right time, but i dont hear the same amount of hate speech about the reds from cards fans as i see from reds fans on this board towards the cardinals.
Cardinal fans hate phillips and cueto. But they all still really respect walt jocketty, and teams that plays a hard nose brand of baseball like the reds do. People here have brought up stuff cards fans say on stl today and i admit i dont go there so i havent seen it. I do frequent "birdsonthebat" and "cardsclubhouse" and while people there vent their frustrations about the reds kicking cardinal butt, they dont hate on everything the franchise has done or stands for.
The difference between Cincinnati Red Arroyo and St. Louis Cardinal Westbrook is the same difference between 2011 Chris Carpenter and 2011 Homer Bailey.
Bronson Arroyo's nickname is "Saturn Nuts." Jake Westbrook's nickname is..."Jake."
Advantage, Arroyo.
"I can make all the stadiums rock."
-Air Supply
camisadelgolf (02-07-2013),M2 (02-07-2013)
I'm really broken up about Carp's setback. I take great comfort though in knowing that at least now he'll have plenty of time to explain things to his son.
Carpenter's $10.5M decision leaves irks some fans
08:15 AM ET 02.12 | In the eyes of many, Chris Carpenter's refusal to officially retire has more to do with holding out hope than anything else. Unless there's a baseball (and medical) miracle, [Carpenter] won't pitch for the Cardinals this season. And he's probably done for his career. The Cardinals owe Carpenter a guaranteed $10.5 million this year and he'll collect the money unless he relinquished it by formally retiring. I wouldn't expect Carpenter to retire now. ... The reality of Carpenter being paid $10.5 million this season has caused a mild outbreak of sourness on the Internet, with a small minority of fans calling Carpenter "greedy" and demanding that he retire and give the Cardinals a chance to put the money to better use.
St. Louis Post-Dispatch
"I am your child from the future. I'm sorry I didn't tell you this earlier." - Dylan Easton
"Son, even if it's immoral, don't ever leave a damn nickel on the table."
There, he won't have to come up with an explanation now.
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