There's nothing trash water or diaper bag about either of them. Both are quality major league pitchers who've lasted as long as they have because they're good. 208 IP with a 107 ERA+, which is what Bronson Arroyo has been for the past nine years, is one hell of a good pitcher. Westbrook's a step down from that, but still a good guy to have on your side. I couldn't disagree more with looking down your nose at either of these two. They keep getting the job done while flash-in-the-pans scurry off to the baseball graveyard. It's not all about the radar gun readings.