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    Ryan Braun busted again?

    It looks like Ryan Braun was listed on records from the PED clinic being investigated by MLB in Miami.

    All I have to say is that if he really is not clean, I imagine MLB will come down real hard for his evasion from last years suspension due to a technicality. Love the guy as a player, but another connection to PEDs does not look good.

    http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ryan-br...235650670.html
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    What sucks is that if these allegations are true, Aroid and Braun will only get 50 games (well..for Aroid it would be pretty much the season...IF he even can make it back from his hip replacement at all this year)...while Melky and Yasmani could end up getting 100. WOW. when the penalties first came out, I thought it was about right, but now I think it's too light. i say full season, 162 games, can carry over between seasons, for first offense, and ban 'em for a second offense. fool me once, shame on me...fool me twice, shame on you

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    Re: Ryan Braun busted again?

    Quote Originally Posted by Beatlessp View Post
    What sucks is that if these allegations are true, Aroid and Braun will only get 50 games (well..for Aroid it would be pretty much the season...
    I just wonder if MLB will count this as a "2nd" offense after the close call last time. probably not, but it makes him seem like he was probably guilty back then as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nheath22 View Post
    I just wonder if MLB will count this as a "2nd" offense after the close call last time. probably not, but it makes him seem like he was probably guilty back then as well.
    This, if true, will absolutely count as Braun's 1st offense, whether that's "right" or not.

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    What a cheat. I'm glad being a reds fan our guys stay off these lists. Or we trade them before we find out. Ala grandal

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    Quote Originally Posted by coachpipe View Post
    What a cheat. I'm glad being a reds fan our guys stay off these lists. Or we trade them before we find out. Ala grandal
    Well... there was Volquez as well, who was still with the Reds when it came out, but he lucked out with being hurt when serving his suspension. Definitely seems like most of our guys are clean and have been more than most teams in the past few years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by coachpipe View Post
    What a cheat. I'm glad being a reds fan our guys stay off these lists. Or we trade them before we find out. Ala grandal
    I know we really want to believe that all of our players are as clean as possible, but to be honest, nobody really knows. I think it is highly unlikely guys like Joey Votto would be taking PEDs. I mean, the guy lives and breathes playing baseball. He's not in it for the fame, stats, or money. I don't see any reason for him to take PEDs. But, you really never truly know. We are just fans, and we can't see what really is going on in our clubhouse. We just hope our Reds are doing it the right way, and so far for the most part, it looks like MLB has found most of our players to be innocent. Let's hope that continues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattfeet View Post
    This, if true, will absolutely count as Braun's 1st offense, whether that's "right" or not.

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    Correct. There's roughly a 0% chance of the Player's Union letting it become his "Second" offense.

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    Either way the guy's a snake and we all know he cheated. Technicality or not, he tested positive before, he just had slick enough lawyers to get it tossed. I saw his press release about using this guy as a 'consultant' for his previous case....I'll wait for MLB's investigation, but knowing his history, I'm not buyin' it.

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    I wish they would push it....heck, only reason he got off before was cuz some dude left the sample in his basement (creepy)

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    Re: Ryan Braun busted again?

    There are always two sides to every story.

    Please don't mistake me for a Braun sympathizer. However his reasoning behind the connection to Anthony Bosch sounds somewhat convincing. From The New York Times:
    "There was a dispute over compensation for Bosch’s work, which is why my lawyer and I are listed under ‘moneys owed’ and not on any other list,” Braun said. “I have nothing to hide and have never had any other relationship with Bosch. I will fully cooperate with any inquiry into this matter."
    Supposedly they spoke to Bosch about possible urine tampering and elevated testosterone levels. This could mean that Braun's lawyers were simply busy trying to build a defense. To an individual trying to look at this from an unbiased perspective, I can see where this might be legitimate.

    Our questions will certainly be answered soon enough. MLB will have to respond to this with an investigation of their own (if they haven't already). Until then, we cannot know for sure whether or not the interactions were legitimate.

    Everything is speculation at this point.

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    Re: Ryan Braun busted again?

    Quote Originally Posted by UrbanMeyer View Post
    There are always two sides to every story.

    Please don't mistake me for a Braun sympathizer. However his reasoning behind the connection to Anthony Bosch sounds somewhat convincing. From The New York Times:


    Supposedly they spoke to Bosch about possible urine tampering and elevated testosterone levels. This could mean that Braun's lawyers were simply busy trying to build a defense. To an individual trying to look at this from an unbiased perspective, I can see where this might be legitimate.

    Our questions will certainly be answered soon enough. MLB will have to respond to this with an investigation of their own (if they haven't already). Until then, we cannot know for sure whether or not the interactions were legitimate.

    Everything is speculation at this point.
    Braun's explanation for being in Bosch's books makes sense, and I believe his explanation. It doesn't change the fact that Braun tested positive for PEDs and got off on a lame technicality. He is a cheater and I don't take him seriously as a baseball player.

    I wish that baseball would stiffen the penalty for PEDs. 50 games is a joke. If I were king the penalties would be:

    First offense- 162 games, plus player is ineligible for the playoffs in any season that a suspension is served.

    Second offense- lifetime ban.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pony Boy View Post
    I wish that baseball would stiffen the penalty for PEDs. 50 games is a joke. If I were king the penalties would be:

    First offense- 162 games, plus player is ineligible for the playoffs in any season that a suspension is served.

    Second offense- lifetime ban.
    I think you present a very harsh, albeit potentially necessary set of rules. Yet I feel that MLB has done a solid job with this already. The current process of disciplinary action when testing positive for PEDs includes the following:

    First time offense: 50 games
    Second time offense: 100 games
    Third offense: lifetime ban from MLB

    While I would rather see the second time offenders banned for an entire season (162 games), I feel that baseball has taken a nice approach with the three-strike system.

    In regards to PED testing and disciplinary action, MLB has unquestionably taken the most dramatic measures of any professional sport.

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    Re: Ryan Braun busted again?

    Quote Originally Posted by UrbanMeyer View Post
    I think you present a very harsh, albeit potentially necessary set of rules. Yet I feel that MLB has done a solid job with this already. The current process of disciplinary action when testing positive for PEDs includes the following:

    First time offense: 50 games
    Second time offense: 100 games
    Third offense: lifetime ban from MLB

    While I would rather see the second time offenders banned for an entire season (162 games), I feel that baseball has taken a nice approach with the three-strike system.

    In regards to PED testing and disciplinary action, MLB has unquestionably taken the most dramatic measures of any professional sport.
    I see no basis in a 3 strike system. The league continually stresses the importance of purity in the game, and there is a huge dark cloud over the steroid era (that apparently is ever-present). However, they do not reflect his same sentiment with the current set of rules. Fifty games is a joke.

    If they want to crack down I agree with what was mentioned above.

    1st offense = 162 games (including playoff games for the season the offense was committed).

    2nd offense = lifetime ban from baseball + no HOF ballot

    I understand some players may accidentally/unknowingly use a PED, in that case, the consequences are harsh, BUT I think they are getting paid well enough to be hypercritical and hyper-vigilant of what they are putting into their bodies. It's not too much to ask. If they can't accept and follow the rules then they will pay these consequences. Heck, if these were the current set of rules, A-Rod would be done for...


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