As a science geek, I look over many journals. About a year ago, one study suggested drinking green tea masks testosterone. I think it very naive to think there aren't numerous masking agents and that a good number of players use them.
Here's the article reference:
Carl Jenkinson, Andrea Petroczi, James Barker, Declan P. Naughton. Dietary green and white teas suppress UDP-glucuronosyltransferase UGT2B17 mediated testosterone glucuronidation. Steroids, 2012; 77 (6): 691
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/07/sp...rugs.html?_r=0The University of Miami named its baseball stadium after Yankees third baseman Alex Rodriguez after he donated $3.9 million to renovate the field. One of baseball’s premier hitters, Ryan Braun, played for the university from 2003 to 2005 before leaving to begin his professional career. The Washington Nationals star pitcher Gio Gonzalez calls an assistant for the university’s baseball team his “off-season strength coach.”
These three players and at least five other people with ties to the university have been cited on documents from an anti-aging clinic under investigation by Major League Baseball for providing players with performance-enhancing drugs. The connections have compelled the major leagues’ investigators to train their focus on the university’s baseball program, which they suspect is a nexus of performance-enhancing drug use.
People get so agitated, volatile, angry and intolerant when steroids are discussed. It is an extremely emotional issue.
I support eliminating PEDs with a strong testing program and stiff suspensions for violators. I also understand that the influence of PEDs on the game has been drastically overblown.
I think we should avoid witch-hunts and rabid ranting about players based on shoddy evidence. We should consider all evidence rather than disregarding evidence that doesn't doesn't fit our opinions. Let's have some standards. Let's make sure the villains are villains before we crucify them.
The current testing system is much more effective than it used to be. It catches anyone using hard-core PEDs but some players might get away with using weak PEDs for awhile.
Nobody truly knows the facts in the Braun case. Having a strong opinion about Braun's guilt or innocence is a sign of gullibility and closed-mindedness.
The evidence is overwhelming that PEDs are not responsible for increased scoring and home runs. Scoring and home runs were already declining as steroid usage rose to its peak in 2004. Many other factors contributed to increased offense in the 90's and the subsequent decline in offense since the 2000 season. These factors have been described in several threads here on Redszone as well as in published studies (Baseball Prospectus and others). The popular notion that steroids re-wrote the record books is not supported by the evidence.
If people really studied the effects of steroids they would come to the realization that steroids had very little effect on the game. It is time to calm down and enjoy the game again without all the hatred and animosity that is sparked whenever the topic of steroids is broached.
Hopefully an effective PEDs testing program will finally move the sport past this divisive stage.
The Operator (02-17-2013)
OI think some of you are complicating this whole thing. Nothing said here would lead to guilt in the courtroom because we simply don't have the reports. Here is how I look at it:
Braun testes positive for synthetic testosterone. This deems the whole T/E ratio argument pointless.
The only way synthetic testosterone could show up in a test is if it were in Braun's body or added afterwards. The samples were not tampered with...if they were it would be painfully obvious to whatever lab tech processed them.
Taking a clean sample and letting it sit might change T/E ratios, but degradation would show up in the test, and synthetic testosterone wouldn't be in it.
WADA let's samples for boxers and olympic athletes sit over the weekend if they can't be mailed. As far as I know, here hasn't been controversy there.
In any other sport, Braun would be found guilty. The language and lack of foresight in the CBA concerning chain of command was what he used to get out of it.
A ton of people on Bosch's list that tested positive are University of Miami players. The place is literally down the street from the Miami baseball facilities. Braun knows players that were Bosch clients for nefarious reasons. Braun played at Miami. Was he really naive to what went on there? That's enough coincidence to make me 80% convinced Braun was using something. Again, that wouldn't hold up in court, but let's be reasonable here...too much smoke concerning that place, why would Braun want to be associated with it?
Why would Braun go to consult with this dude, who isn't a doctor and is a known PED peddler for his defense case when, for $20-30k he could get an experienced and respected biologist or a real PED expert? Seriously, if you were going to go that close to the University of Miami campus and shell out that kind of cash, why not consult with professors and biology researchers instead of a guy with no credentials? If you're charged with regular drug or prostitution charges you don't consult with a drug dealer or pimp...unless they were the ones who got you into the mess you're in. Or if want to pay him a few grand to get your records erased because MLB is coming down on you.
That's enough to make me certain. Not enough to hold up in court, but if you truly believe Braun wasn't using I think that's wishful thinking.
Last edited by joshua; 02-09-2013 at 02:45 PM.
Just want to give Vottomatic props for the rhyme scheme in this thread title. That is all.
"I’ll kind of have a foot on the back of my own butt. That’s just how I do things.” -- Bryan Price, 10/22/2013
Factor in smaller ballparks, bouncier baseballs, smaller strikezones, denser baseball bats, Coor's Field, improved nutrition, year-round fitness regimens, sabermetrics (teams realized power is better than speed for example), larger multi-national player pool, better surgeries and rehab to keep star players on the field, and 21st-century technology. Now can you see why blaming PEDs for the changes is actually so ridiculous. I can see why casual fans would think that way, but ORG members should know better.
Pretty much every sabermetric study of the PEDs issue has shown that PEDs had a minimal impact on power and run scoring even during the height of the steroid era. Power spikes were no bigger nor more common than they were prior to the steroid era. Rates of steroid usage do not correlate well with increased scoring in major league baseball. Steroids did not rewrite the record books.
Barry Bonds took steroids. He also worked out in the gym for 4 hours every day. Everyone agrees he was dedicated to weight training. Same with McGwire. If you lift weights that much you are going to get huge. Sure, maybe the steroids were a shortcut to strength but it is lunacy to claim that those guys only hit home runs because they took roids. It flies in the face of reason. Hundreds and hundreds of players took steroids but only a select few hit tons of home runs. It was the bodybuilding and fitness revolution that caused players to get stronger, not steroids.
Baseball needs to get rid of PEDs. We all agree about that. But it is time to get the record straight on PEDs and quit obsessing over the issue. PEDs didn't ruin the game. The game is better than ever. The players are better than ever.
Players took steroids in order to cheat and gain an advantage, but it turns out the joke is on them because they endangered their health and ruined their reputations yet gained no appreciable advantage on the playing field. Karma is a female dog.
Last edited by Col_ IN Reds fan; 02-17-2013 at 11:16 PM.
I have to say PEDS played a big role in inflated numbers , We have 2 players hit 60 home runs for a hundred years. Then McGwire and Sosa do it same year, Bonds does it. For God sakes Brady freaking Anderson 50?
Anyone think Clemens didn't do it is turning a blind eye.
Now once testing begins you find the occasional cheater for stats are not overblown. No much to do with technology IMO.