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    Re: Hall of Fame worthy? ....

    Quote Originally Posted by westofyou View Post
    He's borderline.

    Pitched in Dodger Stadium and Comiskey when it was a pure pitchers park

    Billy Pierce pitched in a hitters era so I'd say he's underrated and nearly forgotten
    What do you think about Tiant, Kaat and Frank Tanana? I am trying to remember but I think James made a strong case for Tanana.

    Do you agree Drysdale doesn't belong?
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    Re: Hall of Fame worthy? ....

    The more I look at Carpenter's numbers, the more I'm confident in my opinion that Dave Duncan should be the first pitching coach elected to the Hall of Fame.
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    Re: Hall of Fame worthy? ....

    Quote Originally Posted by George Anderson View Post
    What do you think about Tiant, Kaat and Frank Tanana? I am trying to remember but I think James made a strong case for Tanana.

    Do you agree Drysdale doesn't belong?
    Tiant and Kaat are on the cusp, but Tanana not so much, he had a GREAT career, but falls short.

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    Re: Hall of Fame worthy? ....

    Considering how often I hear people argue about a guy's peak years and dominating during a series of years, I thought there'd be at least a little debate about Carpenter. I obviously voted no because I put more stock in the career numbers than I do their peak value. Oh well...so much for that one. :O)
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    Re: Hall of Fame worthy? ....

    He was a bad pitcher his first 6 years, a #4 starter at best. He switches to the NL and poof, he's superman.

    I'm sorry, but has a pitcher ever had that much exposure in one league, been completely mediocre and then followed it up in another league where he is mystically transformed into a superhuman pitcher?
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    Re: Hall of Fame worthy? ....

    Quote Originally Posted by TRF View Post
    He was a bad pitcher his first 6 years, a #4 starter at best. He switches to the NL and poof, he's superman.

    I'm sorry, but has a pitcher ever had that much exposure in one league, been completely mediocre and then followed it up in another league where he is mystically transformed into a superhuman pitcher?
    Dave Stewart? Though he did have a few years with Texas.
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    Re: Hall of Fame worthy? ....

    Quote Originally Posted by TRF View Post
    He was a bad pitcher his first 6 years, a #4 starter at best. He switches to the NL and poof, he's superman.

    I'm sorry, but has a pitcher ever had that much exposure in one league, been completely mediocre and then followed it up in another league where he is mystically transformed into a superhuman pitcher?
    The story behind that is kind of interesting. When Carpenter came to St. Louis, Duncan noticed something that he was shocked wasn't fixed in Toronto. He moved Carpenter from the 3rd base side of the rubber to the 1st base side because it allowed his sinker/running fastball type pitch to run on the inside corner instead of sitting out over the plate. That one simple fix is a huge reason why he had success in St. Louis. Again, Dave Duncan deserves to be put in the HOF for his work with pitchers.

    EDIT: Duncan always thought Carpenter had amazing stuff but he was mismanaged in Toronto.
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    Re: Hall of Fame worthy? ....

    Chris Carpenter and Hall of Fame should never be mentioned in the same sentence. Good pitcher? Yes. Hall of Fame worthy? Not even close.
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    Re: Hall of Fame worthy? ....

    He had a great peak, but 4 great seasons and a relatively short career does not an all-star make. If Carpenter is done, Don Drysdale will have pitched 55% more innings in his career than Carp and Koufax would have about half a season on him.

    If Rijo had a couple of mediocre years as a full-time starter tacked on to his career, he'd be a pretty solid comp for Carpenter. Rijo plus a few mediocre seasons is not a HOFer.
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    Re: Hall of Fame worthy? ....

    Pete Rose has a better chance.

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    Re: Hall of Fame worthy? ....

    According to Baseball Reference, the two most similiar pitchers to Chris Carpenter are Dennis Leonard and Freddie Garcia, neither of whom has ever been accused of being a HOF'er.

    Carpenter had some decent years (winning more than 17 games once in his career), and was a tough competitor to be sure, but he's no where close to HOF consideration.

    Even if he was borderline, he won'r stand a chance.

    Borderline cases like Tony Perez get in because they were much loved by teammates and opponents alike. CHris Carpenter has been generally hated throughout baseball. Respected by his teammates for his skill and competitive nature, even they didn't particularly like him.


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