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    Re: Concerns for Cueto

    Quote Originally Posted by Salukifan2 View Post
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    Re: Concerns for Cueto

    Quote Originally Posted by smixsell View Post

    PS great data Doug, I'm going to bookmark that website.
    For sure. The player cards are great resources. I still miss Josh Kalk's PFX tool (he was hired by an MLB team a few years ago and took it down), but between BrooksBaseball.net and TexasLeaguers.com, the pitch FX tools are still out there and relatively easy to access for those who don't want to manually manipulate the data themselves (it really is a pain in the butt to do).

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    Re: Concerns for Cueto

    Quote Originally Posted by smixsell View Post
    He was getting a little "velocity drunk" late lat season (as he has tended to do throughout his career, but hs improved on a lot in the last 2 years) and was throwing his sinker (2-seamer) a little too hard. Throw it too hard and it sinks less and is easier to hit. Pretty simple stuff really.

    Still don't know where you get your "breaking too early" observation from.

    PS great data Doug, I'm going to bookmark that website.
    I'm talking about the literally beginning to move in the air too soon after it has left his hand.
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    Re: Concerns for Cueto

    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Luke View Post
    I'm talking about the literally beginning to move in the air too soon after it has left his hand.
    I know what you mean, I just think you are the only one who sees it.

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    Re: Concerns for Cueto

    Maybe in early April and May when he was doing so well you should take him out after 7 innings with 5-0 lead and save those innings for later in the year.

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    Re: Concerns for Cueto

    Quote Originally Posted by R_Webb18 View Post
    Maybe in early April and May when he was doing so well you should take him out after 7 innings with 5-0 lead and save those innings for later in the year.
    Pitchcount, not innings

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    Re: Concerns for Cueto

    Quote Originally Posted by Salukifan2 View Post
    Pitchcount, not innings
    yea. I just mean don't over use him when there's no point.

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    Re: Concerns for Cueto

    In terms of physics, there is no such thing as a ball breaking early or late. It is going to have the same amount of "break", or movement the entire time to the plate (ignoring air resistance, which will obviously reduce the amount of break on the way towards the plate). A ball cannot magically start out straight, then all of a sudden start to move half way towards the plate. The break is based on the spin of the ball out of the pitchers hand.

    Therefore what you are seeing with the ball breaking too early out of his hand is your eyes playing tricks on you. Doug's data shows that he is getting less break overall on the pitch. That could explain why you are seeing a difference, although I'm not sure how a pitch getting less break would look like it is breaking earlier. I would have to think about that one.

    Another thing to consider is each ballpark has a different camera angle from the CF camera. And some get quite bad (I think the Reds camera is supposed to be one of the worse in the league, but I can't remember). So you might have been watching a game with a tighter angle, and noticed the ball breaking earlier because of this.

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    Re: Concerns for Cueto

    My impression was that late in the year he lost the late, hard break on the slider. It got slurvy. Not sure what the data shows, but it seemed clear to me at the time.
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