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    The Success of this Season hinges on ______

    Fill in the blank. No more than three words.

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    FRAZIER AND COZART.
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    Pitching, as usual.
    "All I can tell them is pick a good one and sock it." --BABE RUTH

    Having better players makes "the right time" or "the big hit" happen a lot more often. PLUS PLUS

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    Health
    I was in the ORG once, best 6 months of my life.

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    The bull pen

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    Joey Votto's knee

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    Re: The Success of this Season hinges on ______

    Quote Originally Posted by dubc47834 View Post
    Joey Votto's knee
    This. If Votto isn't Votto, we are screwed.

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    Re: The Success of this Season hinges on ______

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    Fill in the blank. No more than three words.
    The Success of this Season hinges on ... making the playoffs.

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    This. If Votto isn't Votto, we are screwed.
    I disagree.

    Everyone would agree that if Votto had been 100% all season the Reds would've won more regular season games. But, if Votto had been 100% in October would they have made it farther in the playoffs? It's easy to say yes but, in reality, it's an impossible question. In a short series anything can happen. Maybe we'll catch a lucky break when the ball is hit right to a Reds defender and a scoring opportunity for a playoff opponent turns into a double play momentum changing play. And maybe that ball will be hit just beyond the Reds defender and it's the start of a really bad inning in the playoffs.

    It's at least debatable that how good the best 3 starting pitchers are in October (whether it's Cueto, Latos, Bailey or Cueto, Latos, Chapman) could matter more than if Votto is 100% or 80% in October.

    The Reds have a lot of good and really good players and one great player. Would having no great players but one more really good player matter more than if the starting pitching delivers when it matters? If the starting pitching can stay healthy when we need them to be? If the defense downgrade of Choo in center and Frazier at 3rd will hurt them too much on a team that's been built around defense?

    There's probably alot of questions that can be thrown out there about the fortunes of the 2013 Cincinnati Reds. But, if the 2013 Cincinnati Reds don't make the playoffs I doubt many people will be calling the season a success.
    "Now that's a real shame when folks be throwin' away a perfectly good white boy like that."

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    Quote Originally Posted by redsfandan View Post
    The Success of this Season hinges on ... making the playoffs.



    I disagree.

    Everyone would agree that if Votto had been 100% all season the Reds would've won more regular season games. But, if Votto had been 100% in October would they have made it farther in the playoffs? It's easy to say yes but, in reality, it's an impossible question. In a short series anything can happen. Maybe we'll catch a lucky break when the ball is hit right to a Reds defender and a scoring opportunity for a playoff opponent turns into a double play momentum changing play. And maybe that ball will be hit just beyond the Reds defender and it's the start of a really bad inning in the playoffs.

    It's at least debatable that how good the best 3 starting pitchers are in October (whether it's Cueto, Latos, Bailey or Cueto, Latos, Chapman) could matter more than if Votto is 100% or 80% in October.

    The Reds have a lot of good and really good players and one great player. Would having no great players but one more really good player matter more than if the starting pitching delivers when it matters? If the starting pitching can stay healthy when we need them to be? If the defense downgrade of Choo in center and Frazier at 3rd will hurt them too much on a team that's been built around defense?

    There's probably alot of questions that can be thrown out there about the fortunes of the 2013 Cincinnati Reds. But, if the 2013 Cincinnati Reds don't make the playoffs I doubt many people will be calling the season a success.
    Well, sure, I doubt you'll get much disagreement that the success of the season depends on being a playoff team. I'd take it a step further and say a deep run in the playoffs. A Division Series loss won't hack it. Playoffs and playoffs wins are the result of the things discussed in this thread.

    This all an interesting discussion and I'm sure a successful rotation, a good bullpen, a productive bench, and a good starting 8 all play into success , but I just don't see the Reds making a deep playoff run if Votto doesn't resume his near-MVP form. I think every elite team needs a elite player to anchor the lineup. Maybe lots of good players will work, but I think the odds of success are much higher with Joey being his normal potent self.

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    True, it has been awhile since the Reds won a playoff series. Although Dustys decisions have already been pointed out as a factor. So, maybe the (3 word) answer should be 'Votto and Dusty'.

    Quote Originally Posted by Roy Tucker View Post
    Well, sure, I doubt you'll get much disagreement that the success of the season depends on being a playoff team. I'd take it a step further and say a deep run in the playoffs. A Division Series loss won't hack it. Playoffs and playoffs wins are the result of the things discussed in this thread.

    This all an interesting discussion and I'm sure a successful rotation, a good bullpen, a productive bench, and a good starting 8 all play into success , but I just don't see the Reds making a deep playoff run if Votto doesn't resume his near-MVP form. I think every elite team needs a elite player to anchor the lineup. Maybe lots of good players will work, but I think the odds of success are much higher with Joey being his normal potent self.
    "Now that's a real shame when folks be throwin' away a perfectly good white boy like that."

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    Re: The Success of this Season hinges on ______

    Quote Originally Posted by dubc47834 View Post
    Joey Votto's knee
    And Cueto's back.

    I'm optimistic, but honestly, I'm very nervous about both of these.
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    Re: The Success of this Season hinges on ______

    Quote Originally Posted by dubc47834 View Post
    Joey Votto's knee
    This.

    The 2013 Reds are loaded with enough pitching to sustain a number of starting/bullpen setbacks, experiments and tweaks. But I'm afraid the offense couldn't handle another 2 months without Joe Votto. A full season of prime Votto makes them the best team in baseball.

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    Re: The Success of this Season hinges on ______

    Quote Originally Posted by dubc47834 View Post
    Joey Votto's knee
    You stole my answer!

    Other choice: Brian Price's awesomeness (IMO, he's the glue for our pitching staff and it's success this year)
    "I tried to play golf, but I found out I wasn't very good." -Joey Votto on his offseason hobby search

    An MLB.com reporter asked what one thing Votto couldn’t do. “I can’t skate or play hockey,” Votto said. “Well, I can skate ... but I can’t stop.”

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    Re: The Success of this Season hinges on ______

    Quote Originally Posted by HeatherC1212 View Post
    You stole my answer!

    Other choice: Brian Price's awesomeness (IMO, he's the glue for our pitching staff and it's success this year)
    I just feel we can overcome just about anything, but if Joeys knee is like gumby all year it could be a long summer!

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    Re: The Success of this Season hinges on ______

    Quote Originally Posted by dubc47834 View Post
    Joey Votto's knee
    You could use that answer for this.... The Success of the next decade hinges on ______
    WHEN DOES IT STOP!?!?


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