one game. I'm just saying, the same argument about getting stronger was made about Campana, and that we should temper our enthusiasm towards Hamilton a bit.
one game. I'm just saying, the same argument about getting stronger was made about Campana, and that we should temper our enthusiasm towards Hamilton a bit.
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I think Campana is a useful 5th OF.
There's not many backup CF that have both OBP and SLG (otherwise, they'd start).
If we didn't have Heisey, it would be a great idea to pick him up.
Since we have Heisey, and someone is likely to guarantee Campana a roster spot as a 5th OF.. it just doesn't seem like a good fit.
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Hamilton is 4 inches taller than Campana and 3 years younger though. Plus Campana's scouting reports all say he's fast and that's it
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index...-princely-cub/
An Hamilton has this:According to the scout, Campana “has a chance to be better than a 4A guy, but he will have a tough time sticking as a true fourth outfielder for a championship club.”
http://projectprospect.com/article/2...couting-report
Hamilton has an above average chance to become an impact major leaguer who can change the game with his speed, but his impact with the bat will be determined by how he adjusts when more advanced pitchers constantly try to expand the zone with two strikes.
Sure it's a bet, no one contends that it is a sure thing, but as far as betting on Campana I'd knock, and I wouldn't think that the odds were equal if Hamilton was the one I was betting on.
I have this theory about scouting publications. They tend to sometimes overhype the the more well known prospects, especially in this internet age where each group is clamoring for visits. and dollars. I could be wrong about that, but it SEEMS like with all the new sites, the hype machine is in full bore.
Yes, Hamilton is three years younger, and he is taller. but Campana was once young and showing some OBP skills. I think Campana can be a decent 4th OF, but not for the Reds. And I think he'll get picked up in the next week or two. just my opinion.
Hamilton may never hit 10 HR's in a season, and GABP is not a great doubles park. He may struggle. or he might not. But at one time, somebody saw Campana and a .340 OBP, his speed and thought leadoff hitter for the next decade.
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It is a good question. There are definitely similarities between Hamilton and Campana. They are good and bad in the same categories. Hopefully Hamilton will be much better than Campana in those categories and there is plenty of reason to believe he will be.
I think Hamilton will hit a lot more doubles and triples than Campana for one thing. The key will be Hamilton's OBP. If he tops out at .306 like Campana has then Hamilton will be a huge liability just like Campana is. In my opinion, Hamilton will deliver a .350+ OBP because he is just a better hitter than Campana and is much more able to work a walk.
To me the stolen bases will be an exciting distraction and won't add a huge amount of value to his game. Stolen bases just are not terribly valuable unless you have a fantastic success rate.
Hamilton is likely to be a good player, but not a great one. To be a great player he will need a .400+ OBP because of his lack of power.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports...,5464864.story
Tony Campana was traded to Arizona for two pitching prospects.
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Not sure i agree with that. They upgraded 3B, have a nice rotation and bullpen. Signed hill to a decent contract, and BTW, an argument can be made he was the best offensive 2B in the NL last year. Montero has been great the last two seasons. I see no visible difference between Kubel and our own Ryan Ludwick. They have a few holes, but they are fixable.
Sleeper team in the NL, without a doubt.
I've been looking them over... and they are changing my initial opinion of them.
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I am surprised the Cubs released him. He is the type of player who if he can put his bat on the ball is dangerous. A .308 OBP isn't good by any stretch, but if you can use him as defensive replacement or a pinch runner he could be an asset. Its not like he is Taveras or Patterson bad.
Sleeper or asleep? Always nice to throw out a bad team on paper and predict great things, but here's what they have:
Prado-3b
Hill-2b
Kubel-LF
Ross-RF
Montero-C
Goldschmidt-1B
Eaton/Parra-CF
Pennington/Bloomquist/Gregorious-SS
That is a lineup that will struggle to score runs, very thin in power and even worse speed.
Rotation: Kennedy, McCarthy, Cahill, Miley, and ?????? Hudson coming off TJ surgery, McCarthy coming off a line drive to the head, so who knows how he'll react.
Bullpen: Putz, Hernandez, Bell and worse from there
They are gonna be in a dogfight with Colorado for the basement. A clear rebuild. Maybe they'll be the April surprise and get eveyone excited. Gotta have one of them every year.
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Hill is better offensively than every 2B in the NL. All of them. Prado finally gets to settle in at one position and Kubel as i said is easily as good as Ludwick, and he's a little younger. that's three guys that can and will hit 30+HR's this year. I don't like Ross, never have, but he fits the manager's mold of "gamer". Adam Eaton... I just looked at his minor league numbers. Yes.. PCL.. blah blah.. grain of salt. Career minor league numbers 1451 PA's, .456 OBP. drool.
It's a good mix of veterans, defense and youth. Leadership in Prado (whom Atlanta will miss greatly) Ross and Kubel, Excellent offense up the middle.
Serious sleeper team. might contend this year if the SP holds, if not, then soon after. The SP to me is the question. I love the potential of this offense.
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