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    Re: Just for fun: You be the GM...

    No. I don't trade someone who is shown they can be one of the best in the game. Trout has shown that too for a season. I do not do it if I am the angels either. Fans already have an invested interest in both guys. A lot more to consider than just the raw numbers. Maybe neither guy would enjoy playing in the other city and maybe the other guys in clubhouse would hate the new guy. You don't mess with something when it is already so great....either side.

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    Re: Just for fun: You be the GM...

    Quote Originally Posted by bigfunguy View Post
    Angels offer Trout for Votto straight up...yay or nay?
    Yes; I wouldn't have to think twice. Over the next 10 years, Trout is a better bet to outproduce Votto straight up. And the you factor in the contracts, it's a total no-brainer.

    You put Trout in CF, Choo to LF, Ludwick to 1B.
    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

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    Re: Just for fun: You be the GM...

    Quote Originally Posted by RedsManRick View Post
    Yes; I wouldn't have to think twice. Over the next 10 years, Trout is a better bet to outproduce Votto straight up. And the you factor in the contracts, it's a total no-brainer.

    You put Trout in CF, Choo to LF, Ludwick to 1B.
    I am fairly shocked at how many people would do this trade.

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    Re: Just for fun: You be the GM...

    Factor in Trout was able to put up those numbers in the AL West parks and imagining what he could put up playing in the NL Central parks, easy yes for me.
    Last edited by thorn; 03-07-2013 at 06:41 PM.

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    Re: Just for fun: You be the GM...

    woy...you thinking Hamilton will be that good, or Pujols is finished?
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    I think in 5 years I don't want to paying Albert's salary and why I'd do Votto and Trout I'm a sucker for a middle of the field/middle of the order guy over 1b any day of the wee for I am a NL fan through thick and thin... speed and defense up the middle.

    Hamilton is the gamble, but I like the odds of him having some impact for sure... unsure of the magnitude

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    Re: Just for fun: You be the GM...

    Quote Originally Posted by thorn View Post
    Factor in Trout was able to put up those numbers in the AL West parks and imagining what he could put up playing in the NL Central parks, easy yes for me.
    Not really an issue here, but is WAR adjusted for each league? Otherwise it being a counting stat, wouldn't AL guys have an opportunity to get a higher WAR simply because there are more "plays" due to more scoring?

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    Re: Just for fun: You be the GM...

    Quote Originally Posted by _Sir_Charles_ View Post
    Surprising. I've seen too many rookies start off well only to tank afterwards. No way I do Votto for Trout straight up.
    Let's not treat Trout like he just had a good year. He had one of the all-time great seasons in MLB history. Not exactly Bob Hamelin territory.

    Here's the list of 5 WAR seasons for players age 20 and younger:
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    Rk           Player WAR/pos Year Age  Tm  PA   R HR RBI  BB  SO SB   BA  OBP  SLG   OPS   Pos
    1        Mike Trout    10.7 2012  20 LAA 639 129 30  83  67 139 49 .326 .399 .564  .963 *87/9
    2    Alex Rodriguez     9.2 1996  20 SEA 677 141 36 123  59 104 15 .358 .414 .631 1.045    *6
    3         Al Kaline     8.0 1955  20 DET 681 121 27 102  82  57  6 .340 .421 .546  .967    *9
    4           Mel Ott     7.3 1929  20 NYG 675 138 42 151 113  38  6 .328 .449 .635 1.084 *9/84
    5      Ted Williams     6.6 1939  20 BOS 675 131 31 145 107  64  2 .327 .436 .609 1.045    *9
    6           Ty Cobb     6.6 1907  20 DET 642  97  5 119  24  54 53 .350 .380 .468  .848    *9
    7     Jason Heyward     6.3 2010  20 ATL 623  83 18  72  91 128 11 .277 .393 .456  .849    *9
    8       Vada Pinson     6.3 1959  20 CIN 706 131 20  84  55  98 21 .316 .371 .509  .880    *8
    9     Mickey Mantle     6.3 1952  20 NYY 626  94 23  87  75 111  4 .311 .394 .530  .924 *89/5
    10   Frank Robinson     6.2 1956  20 CIN 667 122 38  83  64  95  8 .290 .379 .558  .936  *7/8
    11     Bryce Harper     5.0 2012  19 WSN 597  98 22  59  56 120 18 .270 .340 .477  .817 *89/7
    12      Ken Griffey     5.0 1990  20 SEA 666  91 22  80  63  81 16 .300 .366 .481  .847  *8/D
    Provided by Baseball-Reference.com: View Play Index Tool Used
    Generated 3/7/2013.

    Everybody on the list is either an active player, in the HOF, will be in HOF or named Vada Pinson.
    Last edited by RedsManRick; 03-07-2013 at 09:28 PM.
    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

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    Re: Just for fun: You be the GM...

    Mike Trout isn't likely to be as good in 2013 as he was in 2012. I would still pull that trigger all day every day. Yeah, Trout isn't under control as long, but that doesn't concern me really. You still get 5 full seasons of him for what, 2 years worth of what Votto will be making?

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    Re: Just for fun: You be the GM...

    Yes, please. Like Doug said you are going to be saving tons of money over the next five years. That money can go to extending Bailey and/or Latos. Or adding talent. And if Trout walks after five years you get a first-round draft choice. Also, you will have the 25 million a year that you will not be paying Joey Votto to add talent with. Finally, as much as I would like to believe that the Reds will field playoff-caliber teams ad perpetuam, they just might not. It might turn out to be a repeat of the Griffey situation where the team is using a large chunk of its payroll on one player without reasonable expectations of being in the postseason. Is a team such as the Reds really able to forecast more than five years down the road?
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