Angels offer Trout for Votto straight up...yay or nay?
Angels offer Trout for Votto straight up...yay or nay?
That's an easy yes.
Pujol's and Trout for Votto and Hamilton
You do that?
I don't
Let's not treat Trout like he just had a good year. He had one of the all-time great seasons in MLB history. Not exactly Bob Hamelin territory.
Here's the list of 5 WAR seasons for players age 20 and younger:
Provided by Baseball-Reference.com: View Play Index Tool UsedCode:Rk Player WAR/pos Year Age Tm PA R HR RBI BB SO SB BA OBP SLG OPS Pos 1 Mike Trout 10.7 2012 20 LAA 639 129 30 83 67 139 49 .326 .399 .564 .963 *87/9 2 Alex Rodriguez 9.2 1996 20 SEA 677 141 36 123 59 104 15 .358 .414 .631 1.045 *6 3 Al Kaline 8.0 1955 20 DET 681 121 27 102 82 57 6 .340 .421 .546 .967 *9 4 Mel Ott 7.3 1929 20 NYG 675 138 42 151 113 38 6 .328 .449 .635 1.084 *9/84 5 Ted Williams 6.6 1939 20 BOS 675 131 31 145 107 64 2 .327 .436 .609 1.045 *9 6 Ty Cobb 6.6 1907 20 DET 642 97 5 119 24 54 53 .350 .380 .468 .848 *9 7 Jason Heyward 6.3 2010 20 ATL 623 83 18 72 91 128 11 .277 .393 .456 .849 *9 8 Vada Pinson 6.3 1959 20 CIN 706 131 20 84 55 98 21 .316 .371 .509 .880 *8 9 Mickey Mantle 6.3 1952 20 NYY 626 94 23 87 75 111 4 .311 .394 .530 .924 *89/5 10 Frank Robinson 6.2 1956 20 CIN 667 122 38 83 64 95 8 .290 .379 .558 .936 *7/8 11 Bryce Harper 5.0 2012 19 WSN 597 98 22 59 56 120 18 .270 .340 .477 .817 *89/7 12 Ken Griffey 5.0 1990 20 SEA 666 91 22 80 63 81 16 .300 .366 .481 .847 *8/D
Generated 3/7/2013.
Everybody on the list is either an active player, in the HOF, will be in HOF or named Vada Pinson.
Last edited by RedsManRick; 03-07-2013 at 09:28 PM.
Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.
When I first read that I thought, "what is WOY doing? The Reds traded away Josh Hamilton years ago and the Angels already have him."
Oh, Billy Hamilton!
I would make that trade much more easily than I would Votto for Trout straight up. While Votto is now the better first baseman than Pujols, even in his decline part of his career Albert is probably 90% of Joey, so I haven't lost that much at first base. Meanwhile, the comparison between the two centerfielders isn't close IMO. We don't know if Hamilton can hit MLB pitching. I would be thrilled if Hamilton turns into a .300 hitter and steals 80+ bases a season, but if he does that, he still will not be as valuable as Trout was in 2012 (no way does Hamilton project to ever hit close to 30 HRs a season). Trout is younger than Hamilton as well.
"Hey...Dad. Wanna Have A Catch?" Kevin Costner in "Field Of Dreams."
I would do the original trade it Ludwick can play 1b. The Reds would have about 5 years of control on Trout so even if he leaves it would be at about the time the production from Votto would be expected to have peaked. The Reds could throw Trout in CF, move Choo to LF and shift Ludwick to 1b. If Choo departs it would appear reasonably likely that a decent LF or 1b bat could be obtained at a reasonable price. If Ludwick an't do 1st base though it could derail this year. 4 OF's but no 1st base and no where to slide in BHAM.
Actually now that I think about it I don't think that I would do the trade. Too much risk for level of potential of upgrade.
Last edited by klw; 03-06-2013 at 01:06 PM.
That would be a no for me.
Votto helps more now than Trout would. It's a guess that Votto's numbers might decline in 5 years when you lose control of Trout. What's the guarantee that Trouts numbers won't decline as well. He's had one amazing season. Will Trout stay healthy running around the outfield and stealing all those bases? Does he have the work ethic that Votto has?
Plus Votto's intangibles are outstanding. Work ethic, intelligence, marketing draw for the franchise - he's the face of MLB! Not sure I could be convinced to trade Votto for anyone in baseball right now.
Trout makes near minimum in 2013 & 2014 then has 3 years of arbitration eligibility. easy yes.
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Nope. Votto is worth more to Cincinnati than just his numbers.
RadfordVA (03-07-2013)
I'm not understanding the sentiment where Votto helps you more now than Trout. I think Votto is the best pure hitter in baseball. However Trout does more. Granted, I think Votto is vastly underrated league wide on his defense but I'll always take a stud defensive center fielder over a stud defensive first baseman if the offensive numbers are equal. Now, all this is dependent on if Trout can give the team he plays for close to the type of production he had last year.
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