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    Quote Originally Posted by Trajinous View Post
    CHAPMAN WAS SIGNED AS A STARTER!!! This also drives me nuts about this. He's been a starter since Cuba! It's the closing that was the experiment since they were worried about his arm and getting acclimated to USA.

    Yes, it's been successful but Chapman still lost 6 game last year. That's more than most closers. It's also not being "anti-closer". It's about the closer being over-valued and over-stated.
    Maybe the Reds could use him in long relief?
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    Quote Originally Posted by hebroncougar View Post
    Let's not pretend the Reds rotation is chopped liver w/o Chapman either. Both ends of the pitching was great last year. Hence, the question mark about what to do. I'd still leave him in the pen, in the rotation you'd have to seriously limit his innings. I'd consider stretching him out towards August if you're doing exceptionally well and think you might start him in the playoffs.
    Which side could use more improvement, the side where everyone last year had an ERA under 3.50 or the one where 60% of it was over 3.50?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chip R View Post
    There's a difference between insubordination and a difference of opinion on how to deploy personnel. Let's not pretend that Dusty vs. Walt is the first difference of opinions between the manager and the front office.
    Yep. Insubordination would be where Dusty writes Leake 1 on the lineup card instead of Chapman 1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hebroncougar View Post
    Let's not pretend the Reds rotation is chopped liver w/o Chapman either. Both ends of the pitching was great last year. Hence, the question mark about what to do. I'd still leave him in the pen, in the rotation you'd have to seriously limit his innings. I'd consider stretching him out towards August if you're doing exceptionally well and think you might start him in the playoffs.
    Agreed. I see the Reds have the opportunity to have 4 possible aces. Cueto, a proven Cy-contender. Latos, 24 year-old veteran also Cy-young contender. Bailey, the long-touted prospect reaching his potential. Chapman, the cuban Randy Johnson.

    It's rare to have such young talent and I'd say this rotation COULD, settle down, be historic.

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    On the plus side, thanks to dynamic pricing I should be able to watch every game Mike Leake pitches for something close to $.99 per ticket.
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    I wonder how much Cueto's spring will weigh on the Chapman decision. I have always felt less nervous about Cueto this season because of Chapman's presence in the rotation.
    "Man, the pitch looks fast, even in slow motion." Thom Brennaman on Chapman's fastball.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    Which side could use more improvement, the side where everyone last year had an ERA under 3.50 or the one where 60% of it was over 3.50?
    Reds were #4 in starter era and #1 in bullpen era. Take away AC and it may be reversed. Bottom line neither need much improvement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by edabbs44 View Post
    Reds were #4 in starter era and #1 in bullpen era. Take away AC and it may be reversed. Bottom line neither need much improvement.
    I would gladly take the starters having the best ERA over the relievers having the best. Neither needs improved much, but if you can improve the starters, it helps the team a whole lot more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by edabbs44 View Post
    Reds were #4 in starter era and #1 in bullpen era. Take away AC and it may be reversed. Bottom line neither need much improvement.
    If you just take him out, it dropped to 4. If you replace his innings with ones from Broxton & Hoover, they stay at the top.

    In terms of how the bullpen performs this year, we have enough depth to have quality pitchers handle the high leverage innings with or without Chapman. And from an overall innings standpoint Chapman is about 18% of the total innings.

    So let's say you replace his 2.50 ERA with a 4.00 ERA. That moves the bullpen's total ERA by (4.00 - 2.50 * .18) or 0.27 points -- 1 extra ER allowed for every 36 relief innings -- or about 1 run every 12 games.
    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

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    Re: Chapman

    I still blame Ryan Madson.

    We can all boo him on opening day and be done with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hebroncougar View Post
    Let's not pretend the Reds rotation is chopped liver w/o Chapman either. Both ends of the pitching was great last year. Hence, the question mark about what to do. I'd still leave him in the pen, in the rotation you'd have to seriously limit his innings. I'd consider stretching him out towards August if you're doing exceptionally well and think you might start him in the playoffs.
    I would rather limit his innings to 160IP in the rotation than limit his innings to 70IP in the bullpen. I am sure opposing hitters would rather face Chapman for 70 innings than 150+ innings.

    Secondly, his innings as a starter would only have to be "limited" for one season. In all subsequent seasons there would be no limit. If the Reds had handled Chapman properly from the beginning he would have no limits now.

    Get as many innings as possible from your best pitchers, then you won't need as many innings from your worst pitchers. You will give up fewer runs and win more games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    I would gladly take the starters having the best ERA over the relievers having the best. Neither needs improved much, but if you can improve the starters, it helps the team a whole lot more.
    I would venture to guess that everyone would want that, if it was that easy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    Which side could use more improvement, the side where everyone last year had an ERA under 3.50 or the one where 60% of it was over 3.50?
    IF Chapman's ERA is under 3.50 as a starter. Has he even had a minor league season as a starter with that? Everyone acts like he's a bona fide given ace. He's not.

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    Re: Chapman

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    I would gladly take the starters having the best ERA over the relievers having the best. Neither needs improved much, but if you can improve the starters, it helps the team a whole lot more.
    I'd gladly take what the Reds had last year, and roll with it into the playoffs, and take my shot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hebroncougar View Post
    I'd gladly take what the Reds had last year, and roll with it into the playoffs, and take my shot.
    You're assuming our 5 guys never miss a start again.....that's a BIG if. I doubt that will happen again this year. We need Chapman starting cause then we have Leake as backup rather than LeCure/Corcino


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