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    Re: The Reds & and the new DH debate

    7 pages and I still hate the DH.
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    Re: The Reds & and the new DH debate

    I like the current set up. Change is unecessary.
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    Re: The Reds & and the new DH debate

    Quote Originally Posted by jojo View Post
    At the risk of squelching the latest contrived meme, id' simply refer you to any online dictionary for the definition of "browbeat". Ironically, it's actually ad homimen to label a rational argument in opposition to one's opinion as browbeating.
    I am glad you mentioned online dictionary. I used one for the word GIMMICK. It showed this:

    a trick or device used to attract business or attention <a marketing gimmick>
    BAM! The reason the DH was first introduced. Even Dr. Sheldon Cooper cannot refute that truth (although he'd try lol). Keep GIMMICKS out of baseball.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jojo View Post
    Hard to make this simpler: some people (lets call them baseball fans) ... think it's completely arbitrary to demand that field players, even the pitcher, have to hit and that all hitters have to play the field.
    It's not arbitrary, it's called being a professional athlete.

    Quote Originally Posted by jojo View Post
    We can certainly understand how someone might revel in a great glove getting to play the field because a major league quality bat is taking PAs away from a specialized player that is largely encouraged to ignore hitting once he is signed and enters the player development system.
    Now there's an arbitrary line. What's the argument for using a DH to replace a bad hitting pitcher, but not a bad hitting middle IF? I mean, who wants to see Brendan Ryan or Darwin Barney at the plate?
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    I think all other teams should bat only pitchers, while the Reds can replace weak sister hitters with better ones at any time.

    That would solve a lot of my problems as a fan.

    Let's do that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedFanAlways1966 View Post
    I am glad you mentioned online dictionary. I used one for the word GIMMICK. It showed this:



    BAM! The reason the DH was first introduced. Even Dr. Sheldon Cooper cannot refute that truth (although he'd try lol). Keep GIMMICKS out of baseball.
    The history of the pinch hitter refutes an argument about gimmicks or pontifications that the NL style demands everyone "pull his own weight".

    The DH is a natural extension of the emergence of relief specialists which gave rise to widespread acceptance of pinch hitting for players who were not forced out of the game by injury. Why? Because relief pitchers generally really sucked at hitting- even in "the good ole days".
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    Quote Originally Posted by M2 View Post
    It's not arbitrary, it's called being a professional athlete.



    Now there's an arbitrary line. What's the argument for using a DH to replace a bad hitting pitcher, but not a bad hitting middle IF? I mean, who wants to see Brendan Ryan or Darwin Barney at the plate?
    You should be against pinch hitters for the same reason you're arguing against the DH.

    Do you think pinch hitting should be abolished?

    Chapman hasn't had a single PA in a Reds uniform. Is he a professional athlete?
    Last edited by jojo; 03-20-2013 at 10:41 PM.
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    Re: The Reds & and the new DH debate

    For those of you obsessed with seeing more "the best versus the best" match ups, let me suggest the following rule changes:

    Victories will now be determined by total points accumulated in the following 4 events.

    1. Home run derby. The best sluggers go head to head.
    2. Race to home. The fastest players compete for the best time running the bases.
    3. Web gem spectacular. Judges rate the most astonishing defensive plays like figure skating.
    4. Pitching showcase. The pitchers throw baseballs through rings and into buckets for points and carnival prizes.

    What do you think? In the meantime the rest of us can enjoy actual baseball games (the nine versus nine variety).

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    Re: The Reds & and the new DH debate

    Quote Originally Posted by LeDoux View Post
    For those of you obsessed with seeing more "the best versus the best" match ups, let me suggest the following rule changes:

    Victories will now be determined by total points accumulated in the following 4 events.

    1. Home run derby. The best sluggers go head to head.
    2. Race to home. The fastest players compete for the best time running the bases.
    3. Web gem spectacular. Judges rate the most astonishing defensive plays like figure skating.
    4. Pitching showcase. The pitchers throw baseballs through rings and into buckets for points and carnival prizes.

    What do you think? In the meantime the rest of us can enjoy actual baseball games (the nine versus nine variety).
    Define nine versus nine?
    "This isnít stats vs scouts - this is stats and scouts working together, building an organization that blends the best of both worlds. This is the blueprint for how a baseball organization should be run. And, whether the baseball men of the 20th century like it or not, this is where baseball is going."---Dave Cameron, U.S.S. Mariner

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    Re: The Reds & and the new DH debate

    Quote Originally Posted by jojo View Post
    Define nine versus nine?
    NL rules. AL = 10 versus 10.

    Do I detect interest in the new proposed format?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeDoux View Post
    NL rules. AL = 10 versus 10.

    Do I detect interest in the new proposed format?
    You detect a curious wonderment at your pining for an NL game that hasn't existed in over a century.
    "This isnít stats vs scouts - this is stats and scouts working together, building an organization that blends the best of both worlds. This is the blueprint for how a baseball organization should be run. And, whether the baseball men of the 20th century like it or not, this is where baseball is going."---Dave Cameron, U.S.S. Mariner

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    Re: The Reds & and the new DH debate

    Quote Originally Posted by jojo View Post
    You detect a curious wonderment at your pining for an NL game that hasn't existed in over a century.
    I think you may be misconstruing my meaning, but glad to be of service.

    I would think the constant nitpicking about definitions, especially when they are not directly related to the primary principle being discussed, would be exhausting. But to each their own.

    What if I throw in cheerleaders for the home run derby event? I'll even make some male if it would please. I don't judge these things.
    Last edited by LeDoux; 03-20-2013 at 11:34 PM. Reason: iPad typos

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeDoux View Post
    I think you may be misconstruing my meaning, but glad to be of service.

    I would think the constant nitpicking about definitions, especially when they are not directly related to the primary principle being discussed, would be exhausting. But to each their own.

    What if I throw in cheerleaders for the home run derby event? I'll even make some male if it would please. I don't judge these things.
    The NL already has cheerleaders. You can even get photo ops with them at GABP.

    But I don't understand the rest of your post.
    "This isnít stats vs scouts - this is stats and scouts working together, building an organization that blends the best of both worlds. This is the blueprint for how a baseball organization should be run. And, whether the baseball men of the 20th century like it or not, this is where baseball is going."---Dave Cameron, U.S.S. Mariner

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    Re: The Reds & and the new DH debate

    Quote Originally Posted by jojo View Post
    The NL already has cheerleaders. You can even get photo ops with them at GABP.
    Good news. We are closer than I thought.


    But I don't understand the rest of your post.
    This is probably for the best. But if you are ever curious, feel free to google NL lineup card. You may be shocked to see some nine versus nine baseball played within the century.


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