"Rounding 3rd and heading for home, good night everybody"
"This isn’t stats vs scouts - this is stats and scouts working together, building an organization that blends the best of both worlds. This is the blueprint for how a baseball organization should be run. And, whether the baseball men of the 20th century like it or not, this is where baseball is going."---Dave Cameron, U.S.S. Mariner
I think that is a false dichotomy. The pitcher hitting results in a different set of strategies and outcomes in a game. I know when I manage DH rules in Strat, there isn't much to do except roll the dice. Play pitcher hitting rules and there are strategies in play from the outset.
"Rounding 3rd and heading for home, good night everybody"
...the 2-2 to Woodsen and here it comes...and it is swung on and missed! And Tom Browning has pitched a perfect game! Twenty-seven outs in a row, and he is being mobbed by his teammates, just to the thirdbase side of the mound.
Good gosh I hope we never see the DH in the NL. I don't mind it in an the AL, but it needs to stay in that league. I actually enjoy watching a pitcher try to help himself at the plate.
Tommyjohn25 (03-12-2013)
Who would you rather watch play defense in 2013: Derek Jeter or Paul Janish? Institute the Designated Fielder and you get Jeter's bat in the lineup at SS, but the glove of Janish.
I like that baseball is such a weird game. I'd be a lot more interested in football if the left tackle had to take three snaps at quarterback per game. A pitcher's Babe Ruth home run trot after he finally gets a hold of one is my favorite moment in sports.
bigredmechanism (03-13-2013)
Agreed. Using the DH takes most of the strategy and intrigue out of the game. It becomes a much more brain-dead and less interesting game. There is a lot more to a baseball game than throwing and swinging. Playing with the DH dumbs down the sport.
It is kind of like the difference between checkers and chess.
It is kind of like the difference between gambling on slot machines and blackjack.
bigredmechanism (03-13-2013),OnBaseMachine (03-12-2013)
Oh, I agree....but it just seemed to me that others were arguing that pitchers stopped being good hitters once the DH came around. I don't think as a general rule they were every good hitters as a whole. Sure, Babe Ruth started as a pitcher, but there are always exceptions to rules.
...the 2-2 to Woodsen and here it comes...and it is swung on and missed! And Tom Browning has pitched a perfect game! Twenty-seven outs in a row, and he is being mobbed by his teammates, just to the thirdbase side of the mound.
Aaron Harang is probably going to attempt a bunt until he has 2 strikes unless the bases are loaded or he is in a 2 out situation. In those exceptions, Aaron Harang is going to wildly flail and almost certainly fail.
There really isn't the fertile strategic majesty that many seem to be suggesting.
Last edited by jojo; 03-12-2013 at 02:11 PM.
"This isn’t stats vs scouts - this is stats and scouts working together, building an organization that blends the best of both worlds. This is the blueprint for how a baseball organization should be run. And, whether the baseball men of the 20th century like it or not, this is where baseball is going."---Dave Cameron, U.S.S. Mariner
Agreed. Pitchers have never been as good as hitting as other position players, but the dichotomy has grown extreme.
I would rather see more good hitting pitchers like Mike Leake, Stephen Strasburg or Dontrelle Willis and fewer fat, lazy non-athletes like Bartolo Colon or Aaron Harang.
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