I think we are six pages in and no mention of genetics.
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Junior was perhaps the most talented player any of us have laid eyes on, during his first tour with the Mariners.
He had a fantastic, Hall of Fame career. For all of the angst about his time with the Reds, he will still be a member of the Reds Hall of Fame, if he agrees to be.
The seed was planted, unknowingly, by Piniella, and even Harold Reynolds, long ago, that Junior did not like to put in work off the field.
Would he have been able to avoid those injuries if he had? I don't think anyone can answer those questions. I'm pretty sure Junior worked harder and certainly lived much cleaner than Mickey Mantle, yet Mantle is not held to the same scrutiny as Junior. Especially here in Cincinnati, where Junior is seen as a disappointment. Meanwhile, MLB celebrates Mickey Mantle.
As for me, I have no idea how hard or not hard Junior or anyone else worked off the field. But those comments by Lou and Reynolds are easily findable on any search engine.
I enjoyed watching Junior during his time as a Red, and I put the blame for those poor teams right on the shoulders of Carl Lindner, who promised to build around Junior and then never did. I'm also a big Lindner fan, in general, for his outstanding generosity towards this city. But the man did not know how to own and operate an MLB team, or hire others to do so.
Heads of state that ride and wrangle. That look at your face from more than one angle. Can cut you from their bloated budgets. Like sharpened knives through Chicken McNuggets.
Might Griffey have been a guy that got by on extreme natural talent for the first part of his career? He was so naturally gifted he could have rolled out of bed and OPS'd 1.000 in his prime without putting any work in.
Razor Shines (03-13-2013)
Harold Reynolds played with a 19-23 year old Ken Griffey Jr. I could not give an ounce of care for his thoughts on what he put in work wise.
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And if Lou Piniella really did openly question Junior's work ethic, then shame on him.
Dusty Baker has his faults, but one thing I love about him as that he defends his players to the end - and that's a big part of why they'll gladly go to war for him.
A manager should never throw a player under the bus like that, especially your (arguably - it's not many teams that have talent like Junior, A-Rod and Randy Johnson all in their prime) best player. That's something Tony LaRussa does.
I tend to agree, later in his career he definitely seemed to be plump so he clearly wasn't working out as much as he did earlier in his career, or his body was catching up with him and he didn't care. Assuming that you say that it was natural because of age, I'm sure it's normal for players to have to try even harder as they get older to stay in shape, which he may have been unwilling to do.
It seemed baseball came naturally to him, and so when family/kids started becoming his top priority, who's to blame him for trying less or not trying more to overcome his aging body? I'm as big of a Griffey fan as anyone, but I refuse to put on blinders for the guys struggles later in his career.
For those that keep blaming injuries, there are plenty of reasons someone can be injured, but one of them is due to improper or weak training for the game they play. Example: If his trainer was telling him to do a certain #minutes training per day, instead he cut those minutes into half, he would have been at a higher risk for injury.
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Blitz Dorsey (03-13-2013)