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    Re: Greatest individual season?

    Teddy Baseball in 1941 is up there.

    1941: 37 HR, 120 RBI, 135 R, .406 AVG, 335 TB, .551 OBA, .735 SLG, 145 BB
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    Re: Greatest individual season?

    The two greatest seasons in MLB history since 1890 both belong to Walter Johnson. In 1912 The Big Train went 33-12 with a 1.39 ERA, 34 complete games, 7 shutouts, 369 innings and 303 Ks for a WAR of 14.0. He improved in 1913, going 36-7 with a 1.14 ERA, 29 complete games, 11 shutouts, 346 innings and 243 Ks for a WAR of 15.7.
    Yes, that was the dead ball era, but Johnson could flat out pitch.
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    Re: Greatest individual season?

    Quote Originally Posted by RedsBaron View Post
    The two greatest seasons in MLB history since 1890 both belong to Walter Johnson. In 1912 The Big Train went 33-12 with a 1.39 ERA, 34 complete games, 7 shutouts, 369 innings and 303 Ks for a WAR of 14.0. He improved in 1913, going 36-7 with a 1.14 ERA, 29 complete games, 11 shutouts, 346 innings and 243 Ks for a WAR of 15.7.
    Yes, that was the dead ball era, but Johnson could flat out pitch.
    My knowledge on WAR is ok at best, does it factor in things like the dead ball era?
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    Quote Originally Posted by George Anderson View Post
    My knowledge on WAR is ok at best, does it factor in things like the dead ball era?
    As I understand WAR it does show the greatest players from the early decades of baseball as being the most dominant in the game's history. Tim Keefe and Old Hoss Radbourn have the two greatest seasons in history by WAR and of the 20 highest WAR scores in history, only four have been posted since 1890: one by Babe Ruth (1923), one by Dwight Gooden (1985) and the two I posted by Walter Johnson.
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    Re: Greatest individual season?

    Quote Originally Posted by George Anderson View Post
    My knowledge on WAR is ok at best, does it factor in things like the dead ball era?
    Part of the advantage of pitchers in the early 20th century in terms of WAR is simply innings. They just pitched so much more than guys do today.
    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

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    Re: Greatest individual season?

    Jack Chesbro - 1904

    Code:
    			W   L   PCT   G    GS  CG  SV  GF  IP     H    R    ER   BB   SO    ERA  RSAA
    1904       		41  12  .774   55  51  48   0   3  454.2  338  128   92   88  239   1.82   54
     
    
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    			W      L   PCT     G      GS      CG    SV     GF       IP         H      R      ER       BB     SO
    1904     		92     59 .609     188    155    123      2     32    1380.2     1180     526     394     311     680

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    Re: Greatest individual season?

    I wonder if Hack Wilson would have won the MVP award if they would have had one in 1930? (After all, Hack Wilson did play for the Cubs. )
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    Re: Greatest individual season?

    Code:
    Steve Carlton, 1972:
    
    W 	L 	W-L% 	ERA 	G 	GS 	GF 	CG 	SHO 	SV 	IP 	H 	R 	ER 	HR 	BB 	IBB 	SO 	HBP 	BK 	WP 	BF 	ERA+
    
    27 	10 	.730 	1.97 	41 	41 	0 	30 	8 	0 	346.1 	257 	84 	76 	17 	87 	8 	310 	1 	2 	8 	1351 	182
    
    His team's record? 59-97
    Sabermetrics is this: A batter's goal is to extend the inning. Extend enough innings and you're going to score runs. Extend more innings than your opponent and you're going to score more runs than him.

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    Re: Greatest individual season?

    That Lefty season from '72 is crazy. His WAR was around 12ish without looking it up and his team only won 59 games, so without him they could conceivably been historically bad. Like nearly 2003 Tigers or 1962 Mets bad.

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    Re: Greatest individual season?

    I just tried to post on the greatness that was Albert Belle's 1995 and 1994 seasons but the post failed. Also lost is Frank Thomas' 1994 season.
    http://www.baseball-reference.com/aw...94.shtml#ALmvp
    http://www.baseball-reference.com/aw...95.shtml#ALmvp

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    Re: Greatest individual season?

    Joey Votto, 2013.

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    Re: Greatest individual season?

    What's the greatest ever spring training by a AAAA type?
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    Re: Greatest individual season?

    Quote Originally Posted by thatcoolguy_22 View Post
    What's the greatest ever spring training by a AAAA type?
    Brian Buchanan circa 2006 Reds

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    Re: Greatest individual season?

    Quote Originally Posted by thatcoolguy_22 View Post
    What's the greatest ever spring training by a AAAA type?
    Jeff Jones, 1983 Reds
    Sabermetrics is this: A batter's goal is to extend the inning. Extend enough innings and you're going to score runs. Extend more innings than your opponent and you're going to score more runs than him.

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    Re: Greatest individual season?

    Quote Originally Posted by thatcoolguy_22 View Post
    What's the greatest ever spring training by a AAAA type?

    THE BEST

    1. Erubiel Durazo, Diamondbacks, 2002
    43 AB, .535 AVG, 6 HR, 1.047 SLG
    Subsequent regular season: .550 SLG


    http://www.baseballnation.com/2012/3...ers-of-our-age

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