Teddy Baseball in 1941 is up there.
1941: 37 HR, 120 RBI, 135 R, .406 AVG, 335 TB, .551 OBA, .735 SLG, 145 BB
Teddy Baseball in 1941 is up there.
1941: 37 HR, 120 RBI, 135 R, .406 AVG, 335 TB, .551 OBA, .735 SLG, 145 BB
"Boys, I'm one of those umpires that misses 'em every once in a while so if it's close, you'd better hit it." Cal Hubbard
The two greatest seasons in MLB history since 1890 both belong to Walter Johnson. In 1912 The Big Train went 33-12 with a 1.39 ERA, 34 complete games, 7 shutouts, 369 innings and 303 Ks for a WAR of 14.0. He improved in 1913, going 36-7 with a 1.14 ERA, 29 complete games, 11 shutouts, 346 innings and 243 Ks for a WAR of 15.7.
Yes, that was the dead ball era, but Johnson could flat out pitch.
"Hey...Dad. Wanna Have A Catch?" Kevin Costner in "Field Of Dreams."
My knowledge on WAR is ok at best, does it factor in things like the dead ball era?Originally Posted by RedsBaron
"Boys, I'm one of those umpires that misses 'em every once in a while so if it's close, you'd better hit it." Cal Hubbard
As I understand WAR it does show the greatest players from the early decades of baseball as being the most dominant in the game's history. Tim Keefe and Old Hoss Radbourn have the two greatest seasons in history by WAR and of the 20 highest WAR scores in history, only four have been posted since 1890: one by Babe Ruth (1923), one by Dwight Gooden (1985) and the two I posted by Walter Johnson.
"Hey...Dad. Wanna Have A Catch?" Kevin Costner in "Field Of Dreams."
Part of the advantage of pitchers in the early 20th century in terms of WAR is simply innings. They just pitched so much more than guys do today.
Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.
Jack Chesbro - 1904
Code:W L PCT G GS CG SV GF IP H R ER BB SO ERA RSAA 1904 41 12 .774 55 51 48 0 3 454.2 338 128 92 88 239 1.82 54 His team W L PCT G GS CG SV GF IP H R ER BB SO 1904 92 59 .609 188 155 123 2 32 1380.2 1180 526 394 311 680
I wonder if Hack Wilson would have won the MVP award if they would have had one in 1930? (After all, Hack Wilson did play for the Cubs.)
Last edited by 50YrRedsFan; 03-19-2013 at 02:52 AM.
Code:Steve Carlton, 1972: W L W-L% ERA G GS GF CG SHO SV IP H R ER HR BB IBB SO HBP BK WP BF ERA+ 27 10 .730 1.97 41 41 0 30 8 0 346.1 257 84 76 17 87 8 310 1 2 8 1351 182 His team's record? 59-97
Our planet is a lonely speck in the great enveloping cosmic dark. In our obscurity, in all this vastness, there is no hint that help will come from elsewhere to save us from ourselves. -- Carl Sagan (Pale Blue Dot)
That Lefty season from '72 is crazy. His WAR was around 12ish without looking it up and his team only won 59 games, so without him they could conceivably been historically bad. Like nearly 2003 Tigers or 1962 Mets bad.
I just tried to post on the greatness that was Albert Belle's 1995 and 1994 seasons but the post failed. Also lost is Frank Thomas' 1994 season.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/aw...94.shtml#ALmvp
http://www.baseball-reference.com/aw...95.shtml#ALmvp
Joey Votto, 2013.
It is on the whole probable that we continually dream, but that consciousness makes such a noise that we do not hear it. Carl Jung.
*BaseClogger* (03-19-2013),bigredmechanism (03-19-2013),CySeymour (03-19-2013),_Sir_Charles_ (03-19-2013)
What's the greatest ever spring training by a AAAA type?
Last edited by thatcoolguy_22; 03-19-2013 at 05:07 PM.
Brian Buchanan circa 2006 Reds
Jeff Jones, 1983 Reds
Our planet is a lonely speck in the great enveloping cosmic dark. In our obscurity, in all this vastness, there is no hint that help will come from elsewhere to save us from ourselves. -- Carl Sagan (Pale Blue Dot)
THE BEST
1. Erubiel Durazo, Diamondbacks, 2002
43 AB, .535 AVG, 6 HR, 1.047 SLG
Subsequent regular season: .550 SLG
http://www.baseballnation.com/2012/3...ers-of-our-age
thatcoolguy_22 (03-22-2013)
Posting Permissions
|
Board Moderators may, at their discretion and judgment, delete and/or edit any messages that violate any of the following guidelines: 1. Explicit references to alleged illegal or unlawful acts. 2. Graphic sexual descriptions. 3. Racial or ethnic slurs. 4. Use of edgy language (including masked profanity). 5. Direct personal attacks, flames, fights, trolling, baiting, name-calling, general nuisance, excessive player criticism or anything along those lines. 6. Posting spam. 7. Each person may have only one user account. It is fine to be critical here - that's what this board is for. But let's not beat a subject or a player to death, please. |
Reply With Quote