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    Quote Originally Posted by Redsfaithful View Post
    College educations are nearly worthless. Nobody is impressed with a Kent State degree or whatever, it's not opening the doors it opened in 1955.

    It's incredible to me how this argument seems to devolve into people crying about how much they paid for their education, therefore athletes should be satisfied to get theirs for free, ignoring that the athletes have value to the college.

    You do not. If you did, academically or athletically, you'd have a scholarship. Your value to the university is your tuition.

    The NCAA is in the middle of a 14 year, $10.8 billion, with a b, television deal for March Madness. I'm guessing a postseason football tournament would sell for a similar amount. And the kids get nothing. It's honestly astonishing, and I try not to think about it, because it ruins college athletics for me when I do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    Then cut all sports. I simply can't understand how it is ok to tell people who are bringing in that kind of money they are worth $10-40,000 a year in a free education, while the mens vollyball team gets the exact same benefits from the school and costs them a million bucks a year. In what other business environment do the employees losing money hand over fist get paid the same as the ones bringing in tens of millions? Only in college sports.
    Do you really think the athletes are worse off, though? Think of the free education (yeah, I know), the exposure, the chance to be BMOC, etc. The other model is minor league baseball. Do you really think the guys down in single A making $10k/year are living a better life than the PG at Kansas?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jojo View Post
    The Big 10 didn't expand. It just got bigger.
    It's still the Big 10. Only it's base 14 now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Redsfaithful View Post
    Duke and Kentucky already get all the blue chip recruits, it's tough for me to see how they would get even better recruits if they started paying players. Weird argument.
    It may seem that way, but they don't. And quite a few schools feel like they can compete against Duke and Kentucky right now. If Kentucky and Duke could pay whatever they wanted? No chance.

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    Imagine being Mack Brown. You take the university jet to visit a recruit in rural west Texas. This kid has all of the potential in the world to make the pros, but he lives in absolute squalor. His athleticism is his best opportunity to raise his family out of poverty. So, after disembarking from your jet, you talk to the kid about loyalty to the university and how it is a family atmosphere. The best thing you can offer the kid is a chance to play football at Texas and to get an education, which may lead to a professional career, may end in injury, may end because the kid isn't good enough, etc...Is the college education that kid gets going to be enough to provide his family with the help they need? How could Mack Brown (making $5.1 million dollars a year) possibly walk into that living room and leave feeling anything other than dirty offering that kid only a scholarship when the kids yearly value to the school is estimated at $510,000?

    I'm not saying that college sports need to go away. There simply needs to be a reasonable alternative for kids to reach the pros and help their family along the way.
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    A system like minor league baseball? Where the kid might get an initial $100k, toil away for 3 years at $10k/year and then get tossed out like a piece of meat if he can't hit a slider? That's better?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boston Red View Post
    Do you really think the athletes are worse off, though? Think of the free education (yeah, I know), the exposure, the chance to be BMOC, etc. The other model is minor league baseball. Do you really think the guys down in single A making $10k/year are living a better life than the PG at Kansas?
    Yes, I think they are worse off. Again, Duke basketball profits $15M a year. There are 12 scholarship players. Minor league players aren't bringing in those kinds of profits.

    I just can't understand how anyone thinks it is ok that the guys bringing in the big bucks get paid the same as the guys who are costing the company big bucks (nearly all womens sports and most mens sports).

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    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    Minor league players aren't bringing in those kinds of profits.
    And if you start paying players, you'd destroy that system, and Duke's players wouldn't be bringing in those kinds of profits either. The ACC would be like the Carolina League. And no one gives a tinker's damn who wins the Carolina League.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boston Red View Post
    And if you start paying players, you'd destroy that system, and Duke's players wouldn't be bringing in those kinds of profits either. The ACC would be like the Carolina League. And no one gives a tinker's damn who wins the Carolina League.
    I am fine with that. I would rather see that than see the current system where players are getting royally screwed out of anything resembling fair pay for their services.

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    Re: O'Bannon v. NCAA (aka Could Ohio State go D3)

    To each their own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boston Red View Post
    To each their own.
    So you would rather the players just get royally shafted while people rake in millions and millions of dollars at their expense every year?

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    So who the hell is FORCING these kids (who become adults in their 1st year unless Mom and Dad hold them back to make them 1 year better than their peers) to go to these colleges and play?

    Do not like a free college education, then do not play. Bide your time and then enter a draft when you are allowed. Do not like the waiting period, then go after the NBA and the NFL (like Maurice Clarett and his Mommy) for making you wait.

    Sounds simplistic to me. It is a free country and no one is forcing you to be "exploited" and get a chance to earn a college degree for playing sports.
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    Well, I don't believe the players get royally screwed. I think the players are provided something of serious value in this situation. Frankly, the exposure they get beats the hell out of what the tennis team gets.

    And if you blow the system up by paying them, that all goes away. So yes, I'm fine with the system with all its warts. I'd also be fine if the NCAA paid every scholarship athlete a set stipend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    So you would rather the players just get royally shafted while people rake in millions and millions of dollars at their expense every year?
    A player in a BCS league gets access to world class training facilities and world class coaching and strength and onditioning all the while they are getting a free education as a plan B the overwhelming odds of which will need to be utilized.

    In fact I'd somewhat boldly state that nfl players wouldn't be in the nfl if not for their collegiate training.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedFanAlways1966 View Post
    So who the hell is FORCING these kids (who become adults in their 1st year unless Mom and Dad hold them back to make them 1 year better than their peers) to go to these colleges and play?

    Do not like a free college education, then do not play. Bide your time and then enter a draft when you are allowed. Do not like the waiting period, then go after the NBA and the NFL (like Maurice Clarett and his Mommy) for making you wait.

    Sounds simplistic to me. It is a free country and no one is forcing you to be "exploited" and get a chance to earn a college degree for playing sports.
    I'm not sure you can hold up Maurice as an example of a legitimate method of making the pros. Look, part of this is the fault of the NBA and NFL. The NBA's one year rule has forced the college game into practices that even they find unsavory. The NFL's three year rule does the same thing.
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