I don't see the Cards pitching staff being as dominant now that the great pitching coach, whose name escapes me momentarily, retired the season before last. Duncan. There it is.
I see a regression.
And if Beltran is injured most of the season, there will be a huge hole in the middle of that lineup which usually results in other hitters trying to do too much.
"I can't take this homerism anymore." - 10xWSChamps, August 11, 2010. A Cardinals fan having a problem with all the homerism on Redszone. Classic.
"Man do I miss the days where were didn't need a calculator and an encyclopedia of baseball metrics to enjoy a baseball game ... - MikeS21" - 8/2/12 game thread
Besides, Beltran generally hits second and you still would have Holliday, Craig, and Molina hitting. Those players carried the team last year when Beltran cooled off.
What a relief.
I was getting worried that without TLR, Duncan, and Carpenter the Cardinals would be getting much tougher to hate.
Now we can be sure there will be someone to carry on in Carpenter's old role of making extremely stupid and/or irritating remarks at least once every couple of weeks.
Now I see that my worries were foolish. The Cardinals are COMMITTED to fielding a team that's easy to hate.
Like I said before the guys who are going to make or break them are the group who will be looking for money in the next couple years.
I don't blame them for locking him up but they are paying him for what he was not what he is now and it has a chance to burn them long term if he doesn't find his pre-TJ FB again. He's bound to get hit by the innings load last year after missing all of 2011 so he will be 32.5 when this 5 year deal kicks in likely 3 years removed form his best stuff.
They spend a ton of money vs others in the division but they're also ran like a business as the DeWitt's look to squeeze ever cent they can out of Cardinals fans. If they had grand plans on putting all this added money back into payroll other than what they have to spend to keep a competitive team thus keeping that 3M+ ATM's in the stands then they would have inked Pujols.
I personally believe Cardinals fans should be more worried about who is going to be the next owner and how much will he spend after making a massive investment to buy the team because as soon as the new TV deal comes up there is very little doubt in my mind they will put the team up for sale.
If they were in for the long haul they would have paid Albert, by the time he's done playing and going to Cooperstown most if not all of the HOF they bring around will be gone. One reason why it was so smart to give him the 10 year personal service contract by the Angels. I also don't think its a coincidence all their big deals fall off the books right about the time they will be exploring a TV deal making it more appealing to new buyers, while if they had a potential bad Pujols deal lingering as dead weight for a few years it would make the value go down.
Carpenter is a hammer. And by that, I mean a tool.
Bring on 2018! #%?*!
You missed my point entirely.
There are two essential variables that determine whether a player or a team will win in arbiration.
How much each has asked for, and what the stats of the player are.
You've indicated that certain players are sure to win their arbitration cases in a few years, and, for the most part, neither of those variables have been established yet.
It's not as simple as players having good years winning in arbitration. It's based on what those players are asking for. A pitcher could win the CYA, but if he asks for $25M in his first year of arbitration, he will lose.
A couple points to add...
Oscar Taveras does not frighten me from the Reds perspective. I'm anxious to see him (face it he will be up sooner or later). I don't want Beltran to get hurt but if he does I won't be saying "oh no, it's Oscar Taveras, we're doomed"). Gotta prove he belongs first. Which he may.
And second why all the talk (or why bring up) about those two guys going to arbitration? The odds of them not agreeing to a contract before entering the arb process are very, very slim.
Also, not signing Pujols has nothing to do with some back room, smoke and mirrors underhanded thinking by DeWitt to sell the team in 2016-2017. It has everything to do with paying an aging player 25+ million until age 42-43 and the Cards being outbid by a team that has the financial resources to do so.
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Sure if players lost their mind and asked for double the record number they would lose but nobody is going to do that. So at the end of the day you have a player with favorable case asking for a slightly higher than normal number vs a team low balling him to save in the other years, so 95% of the time they team will work out a multiyear deal or settle for at least half and if the player has a strong case more than half.
Awards and certain stats are key in these cases and a player like Lynn already has a All-Star game under his belt and they can that that away, and his 18 wins was 6th in the majors last year so even if he went 13-13 with a 4 ERA he still has the advantage to win his case so he can ask for a bigger number than a player without awards can. Its the same reason why David Freese could ask for 3.75M in his first year and get the Cards to settle past the standard middle point on his high first year request. And once you jack up the total in the first year it only speeds up the process of making more in year 2 or 3 or forcing the team to buy our you arbitration years in a long term deal.
The key is getting as much as you can in year one because it will help spike the next years even if the success isn't always there like former Cardinal Colby Rasmus going from 2.7M to 4.7M despite hitting .223.
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