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Thread: 47 Pitches from Hoover?

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    Re: 47 Pitches from Hoover?

    I wouldn't worry too much about the Kendrick walk either. Chances were that the Reds wouldn't be scoring that inning anyway, and Kendrick's performance on the day was kind of irrelevant when you consider he was facing different pitchers and is still one of the best hitters on their team.

    I'm not too worried about the pitch count either. He's a recently converted starter, and is probably expected to work long relief along with Lecure. It just didn't quite work this time. As a manager, I'd not to have to eat into the starting rotation on opening day... just take the calculated risk and move on.

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    Re: 47 Pitches from Hoover?

    Quote Originally Posted by Vottomatic View Post
    Dusty out think himself?

    No.
    I don't think it was just Baker. Price surly had a lot to do with it also.

    Meanwhile, I don't want to sound like I am blaming the decision on the lost, however the Reds did open themselves up to the baseball Gods after the walk.
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    Re: 47 Pitches from Hoover?

    If it was up to me, I walk Kendrick and face Darva Conger every time.
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    Re: 47 Pitches from Hoover?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Voice of IH View Post
    I think the Reds out thought itself in the 13th inning last night. With Hoover dealing, they elected to intentionally walk Howard Kendrick (0-3), to get to pinch hitter Hank Conger.

    Conger batted just above .200 last season, so at the time that made some sense. However, you open yourself up to the possibilities when you do that. Conger got hit and the bases were loaded and the rest is history.

    I don't know what I would have elected to do. I am not here to second guess.
    Walking Kendrick in that situation is what every major league manager would do in extra innings.

    You can only complain about the result. The move was good.

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    Re: 47 Pitches from Hoover?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sea Ray View Post
    When a game goes that many innings, you have to get two innings out of your relievers. The problem was with Hoover. Why'd he need so many pitches to get through 2 innings?
    Dusty, is that you?

    How many extra inning games go 15 or 16 innings or more? It's a pretty simple concept Dusty cannot seem to understand. You continue to use your bullpen guys like you normally would, and you don't bring in your long man until the the last pitcher (which I suppose would be Simon here and not LeCure). By that point it would be the 13th inning, and you no longer bother with pinch hitting. The vast majority of extra innings games will be over by then. Play to win in the 10th, 11th, 12th, and maybe even the 13th. Not the 16th. This is especially true if you have an off day the next day. Sean Marshall was not used, and I am not even sure he warmed up. Manny Parra was also still available. So was Simon. The Reds had 3 bullpen arms left in the 13th inning because Dusty is afraid he might run out of pitching in the 16th or 17th inning. No reason to keep Hoover in with a high pitch count, especially when you have one of your best bullpen pitchers available in a tied game in extra innings.

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    Re: 47 Pitches from Hoover?

    It was actually a gutsy, against-the-book decision to walk Kendrick and put the go-ahead run into scoring position. I respect that.
    A summer watching a bad Reds' team, is still a pretty good summer.

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    Re: 47 Pitches from Hoover?

    Quote Originally Posted by texasdave View Post
    It was actually a gutsy, against-the-book decision to walk Kendrick and put the go-ahead run into scoring position. I respect that.
    The go-ahead run (Hamilton) was already in scoring position.

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    Re: 47 Pitches from Hoover?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boss-Hog View Post
    The go-ahead run (Hamilton) was already in scoring position.

    You are right. And I was trying so hard to find a silver lining.
    A summer watching a bad Reds' team, is still a pretty good summer.


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