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    Re: Ludwick injury - dislocated shoulder

    I'd call Loria and tell him you want to help him with his fire sale.
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    Re: Ludwick injury - dislocated shoulder

    Who's cleanup now? Phillips or Frazier?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mth123 View Post
    The idea of Chris Heisey getting every day PAs really puts a damper on my optimism. I'd much prefer a Rolen/Hanahan platoon with Frazier in LF. By the time Rolen would get ready, Ludwick is probably back. Guess they'll have to muddle through. Jason Donald would make no difference here.

    H-Rod anyone?

    IF Only H-Rod would not make Willie Greene look like Rolen on D....I would love to have him up there at 3B.

    The issue is..... BP back hitting 4th? It just will not die....even when they do not want him to hit 4th. Now they are stuck with it again beacuse Ludwig cannot slide with his feet first. Cozart now batting 2nd?? I am a little bit down after all this. I kniw it is one game...but the thought of Cozart back hitting 2nd is terrible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony Cloninger View Post
    IF Only H-Rod would not make Willie Greene look like Rolen on D....I would love to have him up there at 3B.

    The issue is..... BP back hitting 4th? It just will not die....even when they do not want him to hit 4th. Now they are stuck with it again beacuse Ludwig cannot slide with his feet first. Cozart now batting 2nd?? I am a little bit down after all this. I kniw it is one game...but the thought of Cozart back hitting 2nd is terrible.
    Yeah, I'm with you. I know it's only 1 game. But the idea of the lineup going back to what it was last season with BP batting inappropriately 4th and Cozart batting 2nd, is just depressing, considering the moves to improve the offense.
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    I would absolutely not bring Rolen back. Third base belongs to Frazier, he's earned it. Let Xavier Paul take the everyday LF role until Ludwick can return. Let Frazier hit fourth.

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    if it's up to me id either move frazier up to 4 or bruce up to 4

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    Re: Ludwick injury - dislocated shoulder

    From what I have gathered on this, assuming he truly has a dislocated shoulder the severity can have a pretty wide window of outcomes.

    Here is a very rudimentary write up on the injury as it related to Jacoby Ellsbury last year.
    http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/red-s...-weeks-minimum
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    Re: Ludwick injury - dislocated shoulder

    I'd be surprised if it weren't Choo, Heisey, Votto, Phillips, Bruce, Frazier, Cozart, catcher.

    I've been unhappy with Heisey ever since his last effort to play full time when Stubbs got hurt, i think it was fairly early last season. Heisey is an overly aggressive batter IMO. Swings very hard at almost everything.

    Still, there really isn't any other choice, so I'm hoping Chris is more successful this time around.

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    Re: Ludwick injury - dislocated shoulder

    Ugh. It seems like the best case scenerio is 6 weeks. But shoulders are very tricky, and this could potentially end his season.

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    Re: Ludwick injury - dislocated shoulder

    Quote Originally Posted by Caveat Emperor View Post
    Chris Heisey -- it's like Drew Stubbs never left.
    What do they see in him? He's cheap?
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    Re: Ludwick injury - dislocated shoulder

    Quote Originally Posted by WVRedsFan View Post
    What do they see in him? He's cheap?
    Some people views Heisey as "not Drew Stubbs", so he has some unseen intrinsic value, that they have talked themselves into over the years.
    The Sox traded Bullfrog the only player they've got for Shottenhoffen. Four-eyes Shottenhoffen a utility infielder. They've got a whole team of utility infielders.

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    Re: Ludwick injury - dislocated shoulder

    Quote Originally Posted by mdccclxix View Post
    Who's cleanup now? Phillips or Frazier?
    I'd go with Frazier with Heisey sliding into the 6 hole. Another idea might be

    Choo CF
    Votto 1B
    Phillips 2B
    Bruce RF
    Frazier 3B
    Heisey/Paul LF
    Cozart SS
    Hangian/Mesoraco C
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    Re: Ludwick injury - dislocated shoulder

    Quote Originally Posted by mth123 View Post
    I'd go with Frazier with Heisey sliding into the 6 hole. Another idea might be

    Choo CF
    Votto 1B
    Phillips 2B
    Bruce RF
    Frazier 3B
    Heisey/Paul LF
    Cozart SS
    Hangian/Mesoraco C
    Sure, that's an idea, but it'll never happen regardless if it makes sense or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattfeet View Post
    Sure, that's an idea, but it'll never happen regardless if it makes sense or not.
    I know. Too bad though. I think it would make the most sense.
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    Re: Ludwick injury - dislocated shoulder

    Quote Originally Posted by NeilHamburger View Post
    Ugh. It seems like the best case scenerio is 6 weeks. But shoulders are very tricky, and this could potentially end his season.
    I'm worried about how this affects him going forward. Maybe he'll rehab it and bounce right back, but you never know how an injury like that can wear on an already aging player like Ludwick. On a separate note, there's gotta be some Hamilton talk stirring up tomorrow.


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