I don't think the panic button should be pushed. And until we know how long Ludwick will be out, I think they should keep everyone else in their current batting order positions. I'd stick Heisey at cleanup in place of Ludwick. Possibly rotating he and Bruce in the cleanup spot vs. lefties and righties.
I know it's popular to want to move BP down to cleanup, but then who bats 2nd? I'd rather keep the order basically the same to allow the rest of them to grow into their roles.
What say you?
It sounds like it's gonna be a good long while at the very least. I'm not sure it's a panic button, but I think we've gotta create a whole new sans-ludwick plan. Continuity went out the door yesterday.Originally Posted by Vottomatic
If Heisey is going to be the everyday LF, I'd have him down in the batting order at #7 or #8. He makes too many outs to occupy the top of the lineup.
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I am sure Phillips will be cleanup with a rotation of Cozart, Heisey, and Paul batting second.
Knowing Dusty, I think we all know what the line up will look like now..
Choo
Cozart
Votto
Phillips
Bruce
Frazier
Heisey
Hanigan
I think Frazier and even Mesoraco could handle the # 4 spot, but that'll never happen. Walt has said, he projects Mes to be a future number 4, so maybe now's the time, but doubt Baker allows that.
I think Derrick Robinson gets the call, should be interesting. Ludwick should be back after the All-Star break, so we must stay afloat till he returns. NO TRADES and NO Billy Hamilton right now.
I posted that lineup during the game thread.
I hate that lineup. Other than Choo and Votto, and probably Hanigan, everyone else are a bunch of free swingers that don't know what a single is for the most part unless they luck into one. They all swing for the fences and end up striking out most of the time.
Slide bruce and fraizer up to 4 and 5. Slot Heisey/Paul at 6.
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Here's what I would do:
Choo
Bruce
Votto
Frazier
Phillips
Heisey
Catchers
Cozart
What I think Dusty will do:
Choo
Cozart
Votto
Phillips
Bruce
Frazier
Heisey
Catchers
I like mine more, but I don't hate Dusty's
What our lineup SHOULD be w/out Ludwick IMO
vs RHP
1.Choo
2.Phillips
3.Votto
4.Bruce
5.Frazier
6.Paul
7.Cozart
8.Hannigan
v LHP
1.Choo
2.Phillips
3.Votto
4.Frazier
5.Bruce
6.Heisey
7.Cozart
8.Hannigan
(I would probably switch BP and Frazier if Todd got cold w/ RISP) (The Bottom 3 should somewhat interchangeable depending on who is hot and who is not IMO)
Last edited by smixsell; 04-02-2013 at 08:27 PM.
This.
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Choo
Votto
Phillips
Bruce
Frazier
Hanigan
Paulsey
Cozart
*bottom 3 are interchageable
I know there's no chance of that lineup happening with Dusty, however, I think it'd be interesting to see. Just think how many times Brandon and Jay would come up with more than one guy on base. Think how many times the Reds would score in the first inning to take the lead. Also, Votto would get a few more at-bats throughout the season, and he would probably be intentionally walked less.
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Big fan of this one. I think it puts the most pressure on the pitcher to start the game. Two best OBP guys back-to-back? Love it.
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What a tremendous waste of Joey Votto. You want a guy with a career .350 BA w/RISP hitting second, when the two guys behind him only combine for a .266 BA w/RISP?
Considering the only other guy on the team who get on base at a good rate is Choo, 2nd seems like a good place for Votto. You take advantage of both is slugging and obp skills, plus you might get him an extra at bat a game. That is a good thing for your best hitter.
...the 2-2 to Woodsen and here it comes...and it is swung on and missed! And Tom Browning has pitched a perfect game! Twenty-seven outs in a row, and he is being mobbed by his teammates, just to the thirdbase side of the mound.
I'm surprised no one has mentioned Frazier batting second with Phillips in the cleanup spot. I think that's the way I would lean at this point. I like the idea of getting Frazier more fastballs.
Votto and Bruce are going to be 3 and 5. That's just the way it is going to be. Some agree, dome don't, but it isn't going to change. So with that understood, and knowing Choo is leading off and Hanigan is batting eighth, we're dealing with four guys (Phillips, Frazier, Heisey, Cozart) for four spots (2, 4, 6, 7).
If we're interested in getting more at bats for our better hitters, I think it's pretty obvious that the two best hitters out of that group are Phillips and Frazier. For me, the best use of those two in the 2/4 spots is with Frazier batting second and Phillips fourth.
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