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    Re: Leake: Always giving up early runs

    Leaks just needs to learn to stay out of the big inning. He is going to be crafty. Arroyo is not much better, but he gets a pass for eating innings.

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    Re: Leake: Always giving up early runs

    Cueto goes 6 innings and gives up 3 runs today .... YAY JOHNNY!!!! YOU THE MAN!!!!

    Leake goes 6 innings and gives up 4 runs yesterday ..... LEAKE IS TERRIBLE!!!! GET RID OF HIM!!!

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    Re: Leake: Always giving up early runs

    Quote Originally Posted by Steve4192 View Post
    Cueto goes 6 innings and gives up 3 runs today .... YAY JOHNNY!!!! YOU THE MAN!!!!

    Leake goes 6 innings and gives up 4 runs yesterday ..... LEAKE IS TERRIBLE!!!! GET RID OF HIM!!!
    True. Except Johnny has entire seasons of sub 3.0 ERA's to hang his hat on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve4192 View Post
    For an entire season?

    Yes. That is terrible.

    For a single game?

    No. It's not good, but it's not terrible either.

    Terrible is one of those games where you give up more runs than innings pitched and burn out the bullpen by getting yanked before the fifth inning. Giving up three runs in six innings is considered a quality start. Leake gave up one too many runs for it to be considered a quality start, but kept his team in the game. Surely there has to be some middle ground between 'quality start' and 'terrible'?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mgbrown66 View Post
    True. Except Johnny has entire seasons of sub 3.0 ERA's to hang his hat on.
    That is why he is an ace. Leake is not. His upside is probably beign a Bronson Arroyo type of pitcher. For a 5th pitcher this is not a bad thing.

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    CIN-SATIONAL: Left-hander Tony Cingrani’s Louisville debut was pretty impressive. He threw six hitless innings and struck out 14.

    But what’s even more impressive is this: Cingrani threw nearly all fastballs. Seventy-three of his 84 pitches were fastballs.

    Cingrani, 23, topped out at 96 miles per hour.

    http://www.chatsports.com/cincinnati...o-go-0-7665990

    Now if he can just develop his change and slider.....

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    Hes going to have to do something quick because if Cingrani continues to pitch this way. Bye Bye Mikey

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    Re: Leake: Always giving up early runs

    Quote Originally Posted by Steve4192 View Post
    Cueto goes 6 innings and gives up 3 runs today .... YAY JOHNNY!!!! YOU THE MAN!!!!

    Leake goes 6 innings and gives up 4 runs yesterday ..... LEAKE IS TERRIBLE!!!! GET RID OF HIM!!!

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    Re: Leake: Always giving up early runs

    Quote Originally Posted by Steve4192 View Post
    Cueto goes 6 innings and gives up 3 runs today .... YAY JOHNNY!!!! YOU THE MAN!!!!

    Leake goes 6 innings and gives up 4 runs yesterday ..... LEAKE IS TERRIBLE!!!! GET RID OF HIM!!!
    Latos goes 6 innings and gives up 4 runs today .... was he terrible too?

    Honestly, the only difference I see between those three starts is that the bullpen did their job for Latos/Cueto and failed for Leake. Yet Leake takes the heat.

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    Re: Leake: Always giving up early runs

    Quote Originally Posted by Steve4192 View Post
    Latos goes 6 innings and gives up 4 runs today .... was he terrible too?

    Honestly, the only difference I see between those three starts is that the bullpen did their job for Latos/Cueto and failed for Leake. Yet Leake takes the heat.
    I don't disagree with your post, but you could easily make the argument that Latos only gives up 1 run if Choo has played CF before or even if he makes a pair of catches he makes probably 9/10 times

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    Re: Leake: Always giving up early runs

    Quote Originally Posted by Steve4192 View Post
    Latos goes 6 innings and gives up 4 runs today .... was he terrible too?

    Honestly, the only difference I see between those three starts is that the bullpen did their job for Latos/Cueto and failed for Leake. Yet Leake takes the heat.
    Please re-read the thread title. Leake has a recurring habit of giving up early runs and forcing his team to play come-from-behind ball. The thread is not about one start. It's about his career performance -- the latest start was just another example of the problem with a starter who's not quite ready to play on a team seeking a World Series championship, especially when we have a better option in Chapman, who clearly has the stuff to become a third ace (That's assuming you believe that Latos or Bailey will attain ace status this year).

    Cueto and Latos have not consistently exhibited the same weakness, which I think is a "head" or confidence problem as much as anything. Beside this, Leake also does not yet have the physical strength to overpower hitters or the craft to outsmart them. He's young -- with enormous potential -- but he should be developing in the minors.
    Last edited by HDBoy; 04-09-2013 at 07:45 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HDBoy View Post
    Please re-read the thread title. Leake has a recurring habit of giving up early runs and forcing his team to play come-from-behind ball. The thread is not about one start. It's about his career performance -- the latest start was just another example of the problem with a starter who's not quite ready to play on a team seeking a World Series championship, especially when we have a better option in Chapman
    There it is.

    It's not Mike Leake's fault the Reds choose not to use Chapman in the bullpen. It's time to let go of that dream. Regardless of how good Chapman might have been as a starter, it is not going to happen, and Mike Leake shouldn't be a whipping boy just because people are frustrated that Aroldis is in the bullpen.

    People need to stop evaluating Leake versus what Aroldis Chapman might have done and start evaluating him versus what other fifth starters have actually done. Leake is better than the vast majority of fifth starters around the league, even those on playoff teams.

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    Re: Leake: Always giving up early runs

    Quote Originally Posted by Steve4192 View Post
    Latos goes 6 innings and gives up 4 runs today .... was he terrible too?

    Honestly, the only difference I see between those three starts is that the bullpen did their job for Latos/Cueto and failed for Leake. Yet Leake takes the heat.
    You're kidding me right? Do you not understand what an earned run is? You should have stopped while you had a chance...

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    Re: Leake: Always giving up early runs

    I don't -- and won't -- compare Leake to other fifth starters. That may be a reasonable standard for a league average team, but it is not a high enough standard for a team hoping to be a World Series contender.

    You don't achieve excellence in life by lowering standards or expectations. You rise to meet and exceed them. Clearly, Leake is not yet capable of excelling at the major league level.

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    Arroyo seems to look awesome, then the bottom falls out.


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