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    Reds Staff in 2012- Historically good?

    I had not seen this before:
    Reds staff ERA+ was in top 10 in baseball history.


    Last year’s NL Central winners had an offense that was, especially with Joey Votto out, just okay, but the pitching staff was, by at least one measure, one of the best in baseball history. It wasn’t instantly apparent, because the Great American Ball Park does so much to disguise their greatness, but consider ERA+, which accounts for league and park factors:
    http://www.sbnation.com/mlb/2013/4/8...series-preview

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    Re: Reds Staff in 2012- Historically good?

    and WOW!
    http://bostonglobe.com/sports/2013/0...ml#skip-target
    2. The Rays went 1,693 consecutive starts without using a free agent pitcher before Roberto Hernandez (the former Fausto Carmona) pitched Thursday. Wilson Alvarez (July 14, 2002) was the last.

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    Re: Reds Staff in 2012- Historically good?

    ERA is a measure of run prevention, not just pitching staff performance. While people generally recognize the Reds good defense, they often forget about it when discussing the success of the pitching staff.

    For the last four years, the Reds staff ERA has been less than their FIP and their team defensive UZR/150 has been positive. The Reds staff had a great year last year, but let's not forget to recognize the role of the defense.

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    	ERA	FIP	Diff	UZR/150
    2008	4.55	4.54	+0.01	-4.1
    2009	4.18	4.63	-0.45	+8.7
    2010	4.02	4.12	-0.10	+4.7
    2011	4.16	4.37	-0.19	+5.2
    2012	3.34	3.72	-0.38	+2.4
    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

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    Re: Reds Staff in 2012- Historically good?

    and former Red and Cardinal Jason LaRue's career was ended in 2010 when Johnny Cueto jump-kicked him in the middle of a bench-clearer.
    - the article

    LaRue returned to the Cardinals for 2010, his third season with the team. On August 10, 2010, he suffered a concussion caused by a kick to the head by the Cincinnati Reds' Johnny Cueto, during a bench-clearing brawl.[4] On August 19, LaRue was placed on the 60 Day disabled list, ending his season.[5] Citing ongoing post-concussion symptoms, LaRue announced his retirement from Major League Baseball on September 18.
    - Jason Larue's wiki page.

    I did not know this happened. We all remember the fight, but thats terrible. I feel for LaRue.
    "Last week I helped my friend stay put. It's a lot easier'n helpin' 'em move. I just went over to his house and made sure that he did not start to load **** into a truck."

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    Re: Reds Staff in 2012- Historically good?

    Quote Originally Posted by thatcoolguy_22 View Post
    - the article


    - Jason Larue's wiki page.

    I did not know this happened. We all remember the fight, but thats terrible. I feel for LaRue.
    I'm surprised you haven't heard about this. It sucks for a player to end his career early. It's interesting it happened to be LaRue, a guy that played for both teams.

    Remember, he was the Card's Corky Miller. He wasn't going to help them win any extra games.

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    Re: Reds Staff in 2012- Historically good?

    36 year old catcher who had 104 ab's the year prior and 164 the year prior to that...and a whopping 56 ab's in 2010

    In theory his career was already over

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    Re: Reds Staff in 2012- Historically good?

    I wish Ben Roethlisburger had ended his career after he began to experience ongoing post-concussion symptoms.
    There is no such thing as a pitching prospect.

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    Re: Reds Staff in 2012- Historically good?

    Some things get blown out of proportion to pour more gas on the fire.

    Larue was basically done, concussion or no concussion.

    It irritates me to have to hear that crap.
    "I can't take this homerism anymore." - 10xWSChamps, August 11, 2010. A Cardinals fan having a problem with all the homerism on Redszone. Classic.

    "Man do I miss the days where were didn't need a calculator and an encyclopedia of baseball metrics to enjoy a baseball game ... - MikeS21" - 8/2/12 game thread

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    Re: Reds Staff in 2012- Historically good?

    If larue wants to blame anyone, start with Molina and, of course, Chris Carpenter.


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