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    Quote Originally Posted by HometownHero View Post
    Why anyone can get have prospects if you let FA walk thus having extra picks and then never trade anyone of value for several seasons. They aren't doing anything better than we are we just cashed out guys in for key players on our MLB roster so we don't have the same depth right now.

    These things are cyclical they will be forced to trade some of their guys and the newness will fade off several of their extra picks and some will be blocked causing them to lose value due to age and other will just not pan out at all. This systems ranking is about to take a massive hit over the next year or so as they are going to graduate players and its going to force them to get rid of the good players they already have and cost them some consistency playing so many younger players.

    Taveras is likely to be a RF as he matures so that means one of him or Adams is without a Job with Craig locked up, if they force him to stick in CF they don't have a spot for Jay who's done great for them and they lose Beltran's 33 HR and 105 RBI in 160 games as a Cardinal just to get them to the point to pick and chose the other guys. If Wong pans out they have to move Carpenter to 3rd and let Freese who won them a WS walk as both will be in arbitration and to get the BP arms in they have to let at least two of Motte, Mujica and Boggs leave over the next years. They are also likely to eventually make a move for a SS since its their organizational hole erasing some of these guys names and their depth.

    They have their system propped up right now just like we did, but its about to take a hit and its going to also come at the cost of MLB players who made them winners, with the vets getting older and expensive if they make a bad move on who they keep on these blocked played or get bad a poor return they could find themselves in a bad spot quick.
    So in other words, you just want to slag on the Cardinals which is fine but it can probably be done without references to the mentally handicapped especially given it's mostly slagging to vetch....
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    Re: 4/10/13 - Reds at Cardinals

    Quote Originally Posted by HometownHero View Post
    Why anyone can get have prospects if you let FA walk thus having extra picks and then never trade anyone of value for several seasons. They aren't doing anything better than we are we just cashed out guys in for key players on our MLB roster so we don't have the same depth right now.

    These things are cyclical they will be forced to trade some of their guys and the newness will fade off several of their extra picks and some will be blocked causing them to lose value due to age and other will just not pan out at all. This systems ranking is about to take a massive hit over the next year or so as they are going to graduate players and its going to force them to get rid of the good players they already have and cost them some consistency playing so many younger players.

    Taveras is likely to be a RF as he matures so that means one of him or Adams is without a Job with Craig locked up, if they force him to stick in CF they don't have a spot for Jay who's done great for them and they lose Beltran's 33 HR and 105 RBI in 160 games as a Cardinal just to get them to the point to pick and chose the other guys. If Wong pans out they have to move Carpenter to 3rd and let Freese who won them a WS walk as both will be in arbitration and to get the BP arms in they have to let at least two of Motte, Mujica and Boggs leave over the next years. They are also likely to eventually make a move for a SS since its their organizational hole erasing some of these guys names and their depth.

    They have their system propped up right now just like we did, but its about to take a hit and its going to also come at the cost of MLB players who made them winners, with the vets getting older and expensive if they make a bad move on who they keep on these blocked played or get bad a poor return they could find themselves in a bad spot quick.
    You clearly don't have a strong understanding of the Cardinals organizational depth from reading this post. First, to refute what you said about the cards bullpen. What bullpen doesn't have a high turnover rate? Also, The system is currently loaded with good lefties and righties. Some are starters and some are already relievers. When Motte, Boggs, and Mujica are gone itll be ok because there will be Fornataro, Butler, Siegrist, Joe Kelly and many more filling in just fine in the BP not to mention the possibility of outside options there.

    What players will be forced out because of graduating minor leaguers? Oscar Taveras takes Beltran's Job through free agency. Greg Garcia may take Kozma's job or get traded. David Freese's injury history and age will force him out. Westbrook is gone after this season to make way for Wacha or Martinez.The only "vet" that they will have to make an impactful decision on is Freese. Thats the whole reason they drafted 3 third basemen in the first five rounds last year.


    You are trying to say having a top system is going to get in the way of itself more than help which is preposterous.

    Ill give you that the cards FO has a tough call to make in terms of Adams. Honestly, the cards should hope that the NL starts using the DH.

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    You clearly don't have a strong understanding of the Cardinals organizational depth from reading this post. First, to refute what you said about the cards bullpen. What bullpen doesn't have a high turnover rate? Also, The system is currently loaded with good lefties and righties. Some are starters and some are already relievers. When Motte, Boggs, and Mujica are gone itll be ok because there will be Fornataro, Butler, Siegrist, Joe Kelly and many more filling in just fine in the BP not to mention the possibility of outside options there.

    What players will be forced out because of graduating minor leaguers? Oscar Taveras takes Beltran's Job through free agency. Greg Garcia may take Kozma's job or get traded. David Freese's injury history and age will force him out. Westbrook is gone after this season to make way for Wacha or Martinez.The only "vet" that they will have to make an impactful decision on is Freese. Thats the whole reason they drafted 3 third basemen in the first five rounds last year.


    You are trying to say having a top system is going to get in the way of itself more than help which is preposterous.

    Ill give you that the cards FO has a tough call to make in terms of Adams. Honestly, the cards should hope that the NL starts using the DH.

    This post of yours actually makes my point for me, they're going to lose the good BP arms and established players they have now and replace them with young guys who aren't all going to jump right in and be as good if they do ever pan out and many of the players you list will not all make it at all.

    So with that they aren't actually improving they are keeping a Status quo at best unless the package them for a position of real need like SS, and keeping the Status quo isn't going to be good enough when Wainwright, Molina and Holliday all start to fade due to age while making a premium price.

    Cards fans have a massive, MASSIVE delusion that every player they draft will make it when it just doesn't work that way for anyone even the best of the best in the Top-100. Which is funny to me because they have had a ton that flopped but they still live with their heads in the same on the success rate of minor league players.

    This is a good write up on actually success rates...
    http://www.royalsreview.com/2011/2/1...-mlb-prospects

    We have 75th overall prospect Cozart now in parts of his 3rd year with a .245/.282/.401/.682 career line we also have 14th overall Mesoraco with a line of .202/.278/.345/.624 also now in year three so to expect these guys to replace productive players and do just as well is comical since in baseball some make it, some make it big but most don't make it at all.

    When you have all these players all playing the same position they do get in the way of each other, once some make the show and the others are blocked they lose their prospect shine or will get moved for MLB need and that top system drops to the middle of the pack quick, and if one of those guys don't pan out and they are forced to use several of the others to go out and trade for a cheap player like the Reds did with Latos it hurts the depth even more.

    This is why the organization rankings are cyclical. In 2011 the Cardinals were 24th, then went to 10th then to 1st on the back of not making and big moves and getting some extra picks. KC was #1 in 2011 then went to 2nd and now are at 18th. When the Cards were 24th the Reds were 6th we graduated some guys and traded some for our big league holes and now are 15th its just how baseball works.

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    2011 Royals Top-10 prospects as MLB Top System and where they are now.

    1. Eric Hosmer, 1b
    MLB with KC .729 OPS

    2. Wil Myers, c
    TRADED and in AAA still has big hype

    3. Mike Moustakas, 3b
    MLB with KC .690 OPS

    4. John Lamb, lhp
    18th overall prospect to TJ with poor performance, now in Hi-A ball trying to work his way back, no longer in their Top-10 list.

    5. Mike Montgomery, lhp
    TRADED 19th overall prospect to no longer Top-10 organizational prospect ERA of 5.32 and 6.07 the last two years.

    6. Christian Colon, ss
    From 51st overall to stalled in the minors currently at AAA no longer a Top-10 prospect.

    7. Danny Duffy, lhp
    MLB with KC but injured with TJ, 6-10 with a 5.28 ERA in 26 career starts

    8. Chris Dwyer, lhp
    83rd best prospect to 5.60 and 5.89 the last two years stuck in AAA no longer Top-10

    9. Aaron Crow, rhp
    Failed SP turned All-Star set up man

    10. Brett Eibner, of
    In AA no longer a Top-10 organizational prospect and currently 0-for-20 to start the year and a .197 MiLB hitter with more K's than he has hits, Runs and SB combined as a CF, doubtful he will pull the Pete Kozma.

    This should give you a good example why you can't count on all these guys to be in the same uniform or to pan out, and even if the make it expect them to preform right away at a high level or to be in the same projected roles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HometownHero View Post
    This post of yours actually makes my point for me, they're going to lose the good BP arms and established players they have now and replace them with young guys who aren't all going to jump right in and be as good if they do ever pan out and many of the players you list will not all make it at all.

    So with that they aren't actually improving they are keeping a Status quo at best unless the package them for a position of real need like SS, and keeping the Status quo isn't going to be good enough when Wainwright, Molina and Holliday all start to fade due to age while making a premium price.

    Cards fans have a massive, MASSIVE delusion that every player they draft will make it when it just doesn't work that way for anyone even the best of the best in the Top-100. Which is funny to me because they have had a ton that flopped but they still live with their heads in the same on the success rate of minor league players.

    This is a good write up on actually success rates...
    http://www.royalsreview.com/2011/2/1...-mlb-prospects

    We have 75th overall prospect Cozart now in parts of his 3rd year with a .245/.282/.401/.682 career line we also have 14th overall Mesoraco with a line of .202/.278/.345/.624 also now in year three so to expect these guys to replace productive players and do just as well is comical since in baseball some make it, some make it big but most don't make it at all.

    When you have all these players all playing the same position they do get in the way of each other, once some make the show and the others are blocked they lose their prospect shine or will get moved for MLB need and that top system drops to the middle of the pack quick, and if one of those guys don't pan out and they are forced to use several of the others to go out and trade for a cheap player like the Reds did with Latos it hurts the depth even more.

    This is why the organization rankings are cyclical. In 2011 the Cardinals were 24th, then went to 10th then to 1st on the back of not making and big moves and getting some extra picks. KC was #1 in 2011 then went to 2nd and now are at 18th. When the Cards were 24th the Reds were 6th we graduated some guys and traded some for our big league holes and now are 15th its just how baseball works.
    All the problems you list are future problems. They are problems that every single team in the MLB will have to address over the next 5 years or so. The facts are the facts. The cardinals have a very good major league ball club and the best minor league system. Their isn't an organization in America that does not envy the position of the card's farm system.

    You also say, "cardinals fans think...." What an overarching generalization for which you have 0 proof of. There are probably 10 million cardinal fans in America and the number who pay any sort of attention to the minor leagues is probably a fraction of that. That being said, I'll still respond. Some card's fans may be delusional. That is created because right now, the cards farm is almost invincable. In the last three years or so they have brought up Freese, Craig, Descalso, M. Carpenter, LAnce Lynn and Jay. None of the six were ever highly touted prospects, yet all of them have become starters and four have become All-Star quality starters. And now, the organization is loaded with highly touted prospects and people are excited to see just how good they can be if the one's who weren't even ranked have become so good. So there is probably a little over confidence in the farm i'll give you that.

    You also bring up Cozart and Mesoraco. The reason they haven't blossomed like many would hope has a name, and that name is Dusty. Dusty Baker is a great coach of veterans, but there isn't anyone i'd want less to coach young players than Dusty Baker. His track record has proven that he is awful at dealing with young players, IMO because he just doesn't want too. He wants to treat them like rookies their whole career. The Cardinals don't do that at all. John Kruk said it in the post-season when the Kozma was playing WAY over his head. Kruk said (and i paraphrase), "The cardinals don't make rookies feel like rookies. From the players up to the owners, the second you walk into that clubhouse youre a cardinal." Kozma was treated the same way the organization would have treated Derek Jeter, and because of that he didn't feel like he had to prove himself. He just had to play.

    Also, you say the cards had a bunch that flopped. Who? Rasmus is one. The cards should have known he would flop because he had a piss-poor attitude and tried to get the cards to hire his dad to be his personal hitting coach. Two years later its looking like one of the best trades in the card's recent history. Who else flopped? Anthony reyes? that was six seasons ago now. Brendan Ryan? He can't hit but he might be the best defensive short stop in baseball. Can you please fill me in on the flops the cards have had? This should be supremely difficult for you because until Mozeliak took over they almost never had ranked players in their farm system. If a prospect never even is ranked, then he can't flop.
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    Re: 4/10/13 - Reds at Cardinals

    Quote Originally Posted by HometownHero View Post
    2011 Royals Top-10 prospects as MLB Top System and where they are now.

    1. Eric Hosmer, 1b
    MLB with KC .729 OPS

    2. Wil Myers, c
    TRADED and in AAA still has big hype

    3. Mike Moustakas, 3b
    MLB with KC .690 OPS

    4. John Lamb, lhp
    18th overall prospect to TJ with poor performance, now in Hi-A ball trying to work his way back, no longer in their Top-10 list.

    5. Mike Montgomery, lhp
    TRADED 19th overall prospect to no longer Top-10 organizational prospect ERA of 5.32 and 6.07 the last two years.

    6. Christian Colon, ss
    From 51st overall to stalled in the minors currently at AAA no longer a Top-10 prospect.

    7. Danny Duffy, lhp
    MLB with KC but injured with TJ, 6-10 with a 5.28 ERA in 26 career starts

    8. Chris Dwyer, lhp
    83rd best prospect to 5.60 and 5.89 the last two years stuck in AAA no longer Top-10

    9. Aaron Crow, rhp
    Failed SP turned All-Star set up man

    10. Brett Eibner, of
    In AA no longer a Top-10 organizational prospect and currently 0-for-20 to start the year and a .197 MiLB hitter with more K's than he has hits, Runs and SB combined as a CF, doubtful he will pull the Pete Kozma.

    This should give you a good example why you can't count on all these guys to be in the same uniform or to pan out, and even if the make it expect them to preform right away at a high level or to be in the same projected roles.
    How could you even bring yourself to make this comparison? They are the Royals. They suck. Always. The top three though still have plenty of time to good develop into very very good players. Because the royals have been awful for over 20 years now do you think it just might be because they a very poor player development department? No, of course you didn't.

    Since we are on the topic though, lets talk about the reds. How are they going to replace Phillips in a couple of years? Didi is gone. How will they replace ludwick? How will they replace Choo? How are they going to pay for Bruce, Bailey, Latos, and Cueto? How will they replace Arroyo? Do you see how this could be done for every single MLB team with the exception of maybe the Astros?

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    That was one of the more loaded systems in recent years and they aren't getting the production from the hype, few come in and do good from the get go, most of them that make it have major growing pains and a majority of prospects don't even make it at all.

    Did you not read the link I gave you before?
    http://www.royalsreview.com/2011/2/1...-mlb-prospects

    You clearly have the standard delusional mindset of the typical Cards fan. You somehow think Its Dusty's fault a player like Cozart has hit .243 over 633 AB, Dusty doesn't make him have low BABIP just like the Cards vets aren't magically letting their players see BABIP spikes. Just what Vet is helping Kozma with those swinging bunt hits?

    The main reason the Cardinals are hated by other teams so much s their ignorant and audacious fans, Cards fans are so unbelievably stupid and or cocky they think they can beat how baseball works and feel they will somehow hit on all the prospects and beat the history of the game.

    Those problems you say are future problems are this year problems, all of the top guys are at the top of the system and will be just w

    The Cards have had tons of guys bust in recent years and over the last ten years other than the several names you listed. Zack Cox just got a MLB deal form then a couple years back and they gave him to get Mujica and then he got DFA's by Miami of all teams, Wallace is a bust but they at least sold high on him, Tyler Greene was a bust hell even Kozma was a bust and ever so close to getting cut before finding that Cardinals Pixy Dust once in St Louis. Bryan Anderson was a Top-100 prospect they just let walk as a minor league FA after he busted. Eduardo Sanchez prospect star is fading by the day after being stuck in Memphis. Daryl Jones at one point was suppose to be the next big thing for the Cards was a Top-5 prospect and has never playing in the majors, Jess Todd was once projected as the Cards future #2 now is a bad failed BP arm the Cards traded picked back up and cut again.

    I could keep going if need be, so yes not even those magic vets can save all the prospects.

    The Reds don't have to worry replacing BP until 2018 they have several years to pray someone pans out, they need someone to replace Ludwick now as real teams who aren't lucky actually have holes when players get hurt. When Choo leaves they are going to hope Billy Hamilton fills the void but its a crap shoot as if he will or not because once again here in the real world prospect flop if he does the Reds will have some issues unless someone else pans out of they can get someone on the cheap we are going to hope one of Cingrani or Corcino can replace Arroyo and the one who can't will go into the open hole we have in the BP.

    We have a young core and have our top talent evenly spread over the system so we are going to get 5 more drafts before we have to honestly start worrying about the next wave of impact players. The Cardinals have most of the top prospects ready now or over the course of this year and most all of them play positions where good players are at now so their position isn't like most teams, their organization rating is going to fall and the improvement at the big league level is going to be the same as the new guys are replacing good players.

    Soon our system will pass the Cards due to it being cyclical and it will be our turn not to graduate key players, not trade prospects and see some FA leave and bring us a few more picks. Just like it was when we rated in top tier and the Cards were lower just a couple years back.

    The moral of the story is no matter how great you think your system is or how awesome you feel the player development is or how magical the veterans are or whatever else things foolish Cards fans buy in on there is only sure bet in baseball and that is prospects are going to fail at a big clip and most of the ones who don't fail aren't going to live up to the hype they had coming up.

    If prospects panned out like Cards fans apparently think then baseball would be the most popular sport in America and the bottom half of MLB rosters wouldn't be filled with so many scrubs and mediocre players and it would be impossible for teams to lose as much as Houston has the last two years.

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    What a surreal, tortured way to attack another fan base. Your farm system is currently one th best in baseball. That you'd count that as a positive rather than see it for the dire negative that it truly is is just further proof of your delusional, mentally handicapped state!

    Say what?!?!?
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    Wow Jojo you are unbelievably butthurt over me using the term mentally handicapped, its retarded how bad its eating at you. Being rated high doesn't win games the two years the Cardinals won the World Series they had a system ranked 21st and 24th, the years before they won it they were even lower.

    As anyone can be #1 for a bit if they don't trade anyone and land a bunch of extra picks, like I said it was 24th two years ago and will be back towards the bottom in another two years. We were dead last in 2006 and had a MVP already in the system, also an All-Star RF, one of our SP and 2 of our BP arms, another MLB SP we traded for another piece of our BP and had the prospect we traded to get Brandon Phillips just 8 days after we were rated dead last.

    The Royals had one of the better systems in recent years and out of those in the Top-10 they have a failed SP turned good BP arm, 2 under preforming position players both about to hit arbitration the next two years and traded two of those in the Top-5 that year plus two more prospects to get a strong innings eater and a failed SP turned good BP piece now back to a SP because the starters they had high hopes on didn't pan out.

    The best thing to do with hyped system is to trade for proven players since no matter what a good number of the prospects aren't going to make it, and others aren't going to match the hype if they do become big league players. Then if your prospects aren't matching your holes you get into a spot like the Cardinals are in. They either have to let proven players go to replace them with gambles, let them rot in the minors and risk injury and poor performance or hope to stash them on the bench an burn their prospect tag and start the clock both lowering the value and hurting the ranking.

    No matter how they work it they have 3 spots for Jay, Beltran, Craig, Adams and Taveras. They will no doubt drop Beltran and he has 33 HR and 105 RBI in 161 games with the Cardinals and hit .357/.440/.714/1.154 in the playoffs that will be a lot to ask a rookie to match. If Oscar fills that role they still don't have a home for Adams unless that dump Jay and he has gave them .297/.355 at the top of the order and nice defense in CF. Then to fit Wong in everyday they either have to dump Freese who is a hometown hero himself winning the NLCS and WS MVP with some help for Nelly Cruz' misplay in RF or move Carpenter off 2B and his bat plays much better at 2nd.

    So they have 2 prospects ready for the show by the All-Star beak and one there now without a position and have Miller and Rosenthal taking the spot of Lohse and basically Motte who looks likely out for the year and when he comes back sometime next year will just fill the void of Mujica who will be forced out due to money. So that's 5 of the top 7 prospects making the majors without actually filling a spot of a weak link and all replacing or forcing out key players which will be hard to match in first year or so and you still have one of them without a position unless the NL changes its rules.

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    Wow Jojo you are unbelievably butthurt over me using the term mentally handicapped, its retarded how bad its eating at you. Being rated high doesn't win games the two years the Cardinals won the World Series they had a system ranked 21st and 24th, the years before they won it they were even lower.

    As anyone can be #1 for a bit if they don't trade anyone and land a bunch of extra picks, like I said it was 24th two years ago and will be back towards the bottom in another two years. We were dead last in 2006 and had a MVP already in the system, also an All-Star RF, one of our SP and 2 of our BP arms, another MLB SP we traded for another piece of our BP and had the prospect we traded to get Brandon Phillips just 8 days after we were rated dead last.

    The Royals had one of the better systems in recent years and out of those in the Top-10 they have a failed SP turned good BP arm, 2 under preforming position players both about to hit arbitration the next two years and traded two of those in the Top-5 that year plus two more prospects to get a strong innings eater and a failed SP turned good BP piece now back to a SP because the starters they had high hopes on didn't pan out.

    The best thing to do with hyped system is to trade for proven players since no matter what a good number of the prospects aren't going to make it, and others aren't going to match the hype if they do become big league players. Then if your prospects aren't matching your holes you get into a spot like the Cardinals are in. They either have to let proven players go to replace them with gambles, let them rot in the minors and risk injury and poor performance or hope to stash them on the bench an burn their prospect tag and start the clock both lowering the value and hurting the ranking.

    No matter how they work it they have 3 spots for Jay, Beltran, Craig, Adams and Taveras. They will no doubt drop Beltran and he has 33 HR and 105 RBI in 161 games with the Cardinals and hit .357/.440/.714/1.154 in the playoffs that will be a lot to ask a rookie to match. If Oscar fills that role they still don't have a home for Adams unless that dump Jay and he has gave them .297/.355 at the top of the order and nice defense in CF. Then to fit Wong in everyday they either have to dump Freese who is a hometown hero himself winning the NLCS and WS MVP with some help for Nelly Cruz' misplay in RF or move Carpenter off 2B and his bat plays much better at 2nd.

    So they have 2 prospects ready for the show by the All-Star beak and one there now without a position and have Miller and Rosenthal taking the spot of Lohse and basically Motte who looks likely out for the year and when he comes back sometime next year will just fill the void of Mujica who will be forced out due to money. So that's 5 of the top 7 prospects making the majors without actually filling a spot of a weak link and all replacing or forcing out key players which will be hard to match in first year or so and you still have one of them without a position unless the NL changes its rules.
    Dude, you're the one arguing that having one of the best farm systems in baseball is a big problem and you're doing it in about as pejorative a way as possible regarding the Cardinal fanbase.

    It's one of the stranger arguments I've seen on the ORG and I've been around long enough to have seen just about all of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jojo View Post
    Dude, you're the one arguing that having one of the best farm systems in baseball is a big problem and you're doing it in about as pejorative a way as possible regarding the Cardinal fanbase.

    It's one of the stranger arguments I've seen on the ORG and I've been around long enough to have seen just about all of them.
    Well clearly you can't read very well because I never said it was a problem, I guess that's why you got so bent out of shape over when I said the term mentally handicapped.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HometownHero View Post
    Well clearly you can't read very well because I never said it was a problem, I guess that's why you got so bent out of shape over when I said the term mentally handicapped.
    Again slag on another fan base all you want but using the Cards minor league system to do it makes you look silly.
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    Re: 4/10/13 - Reds at Cardinals

    Quote Originally Posted by HometownHero View Post
    No matter how they work it they have 3 spots for Jay, Beltran, Craig, Adams and Taveras. They will no doubt drop Beltran and he has 33 HR and 105 RBI in 161 games with the Cardinals and hit .357/.440/.714/1.154 in the playoffs that will be a lot to ask a rookie to match. If Oscar fills that role they still don't have a home for Adams unless that dump Jay and he has gave them .297/.355 at the top of the order and nice defense in CF. Then to fit Wong in everyday they either have to dump Freese who is a hometown hero himself winning the NLCS and WS MVP with some help for Nelly Cruz' misplay in RF or move Carpenter off 2B and his bat plays much better at 2nd.

    So they have 2 prospects ready for the show by the All-Star beak and one there now without a position and have Miller and Rosenthal taking the spot of Lohse and basically Motte who looks likely out for the year and when he comes back sometime next year will just fill the void of Mujica who will be forced out due to money. So that's 5 of the top 7 prospects making the majors without actually filling a spot of a weak link and all replacing or forcing out key players which will be hard to match in first year or so and you still have one of them without a position unless the NL changes its rules.
    Compettition is a good thing. It forces the cream to rise to the top. Your argument remains that the farm system and big club are so good that they are going to get in the way of eachother, and any dissenting opinion from cards fans just proves their stupidity. This is preposterous as i previously stated.


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