I'm going to be completely honest. If I was pinned against the backstop by a bunch of raging bulls, I'm probably doing the same damn thing Cueto did. My priority isn't the health of anyone around me, my priority is my own safety. He ended up in the wrong place at the wrong time, and he panicked. Instinct took over. He wasn't purposefully trying to use his spike as a weapon. This isn't a Juan Marichal incident where he was trying to kill somebody with a baseball bat.
Regardless, this thread has been derailed a bit and I've contributed to it, so sorry about that. When it comes to Quentin and Greinke, I think Quentin crossed the line. Greinke lowered his shoulder to protect himself. Not the wisest decision, but he didn't have many options there. Quentin should be decked a substantial amount of games. If that was Latos or Cueto he injured instead of Greinke, I can hardly imagine the outrage on this board.
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Here is what we know: LaRue never played again after being kicked.
Here is what we don't know: What would have happened had he never been kicked.
You can hypothesize if he would have played the next season had he not sucked all you want. I am doubtful that he would have been picked up too. But Corky Miller is still hanging around in Louisville, so you just don't know when it comes to catchers.
I will give you a better analogy (although a bit more morbid).
A person with an immune deficiency disorger dies of pneumonia. So instead of blaming the disorder, you think "if it wasn't for the damn pneumonia virus he would still be alive, it's the pneumonia that is to blame and we must find a cure for it!" You can blame the pneumonia all you want, but it was the immune disorder that really killed him. A person with a normal immune system would not have died.
Small market fan... always hoping, but never expecting.
You aren't going to give a good example though. You are attempting to say something in the future was for sure going to happen that you can't possibly know for sure.
Again, LaRue would have played again that season. Cueto made it so he wouldn't (not that I believe he meant to do it to the extent he did). Cueto was directly responsible for an injury that ended his season. After that season, we don't know what would have happened had he been healthy enough to play. LaRue hit .172 in 2006-2007 in the Majors. He played three seasons after that. Bad production at catcher doesn't mean you won't get a job.
Secondly, I am not trying to make anything sound good, bad or anything in between. I am simply saying that the concussion that LaRue experienced at the expense of Johnny Cueto was directly responsible for ending his career. He never played again after it and he would have played again had it never happened, even if it was just to finish out that season. That is all that I am saying. Anything you are reading beyond that is just you trying to read into it for some other reason.
If a long time employee announces he will retire from the company in November, but if fired by his boss in June, who ended his career?
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I still find it extremely odd that a pitcher would bean the leadoff hitter on a 3-2 pitch in the sixth inning while protecting a 2-1 lead. That's all kinds of stupid, not that stupid doesn't happen all the time. And, again, it was a poorly executed beanball on top of that.
What set Quentin off was whatever Greinke said afterward. A.J. Ellis is really the guy screwed up - for not getting the ball back to Greinke and for not jumping on Quentin before he could charge. He's no Joe Oliver.
But Greinke definitely shouldn't have led with his shoulder. Or, if he was, then you've got to charge too so that you're dishing out more force than you're absorbing. Wild guess, but Greinke may not have played a lot of organized football.
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