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    cozart back at the 2 hole!

    He has always done well there. Please keep him there Dusty at least for a couple weeks...he has decent speed and can do something with the fast balls he sees.

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    Re: cozart back at the 2 hole!

    I agree. I've always liked Cozart in the 2 hole.
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    Re: cozart back at the 2 hole!

    Anything is better than Heisey in that spot ... even Cozart.

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    Re: cozart back at the 2 hole!

    Putting a hitter with an awful career .280 OBP in the 2-hole would not be a wise thing to do.

    Since he is unwilling to put Votto second in the order, put Phillips back in the 2-hole and Frazier at cleanup.

    Get your best hitters more at-bats and your worst hitters fewer at-bats.

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    Re: cozart back at the 2 hole!

    Quote Originally Posted by AtomicDumpling View Post
    Putting a hitter with an awful career .280 OBP in the 2-hole would not be a wise thing to do.

    Since he is unwilling to put Votto second in the order, put Phillips back in the 2-hole and Frazier at cleanup.

    Get your best hitters more at-bats and your worst hitters fewer at-bats.
    Well hitting in front of elite hitters tend to get slumping guys better pitches to hit, LaRussa made a living out of this with Pujols and then the Angles ended up making it work again with Torii Hunter once they stuck him there and he took off.

    Cozart has been two completely different players hitting 2nd vs other places in his career, stick with it and hope he can produce there until Ludwick comes back.

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    Re: cozart back at the 2 hole!

    For what it's worth this is Cozart's career slashline batting 2nd:

    .331/.370/.517

    (That gives him an OPS of .887)

    That .887 OPS would have led every qualifying SS in the league last year. On top of which he brings + defence to the table. I think putting Cozart in the 2 hole is easily the best place for him.
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    Re: cozart back at the 2 hole!

    Quote Originally Posted by Jamz View Post
    For what it's worth this is Cozart's career slashline batting 2nd:

    .331/.370/.517

    (That gives him an OPS of .887)

    That .887 OPS would have led every qualifying SS in the league last year. On top of which he brings + defence to the table. I think putting Cozart in the 2 hole is easily the best place for him.
    How many PAs is that?
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    Re: cozart back at the 2 hole!

    Quote Originally Posted by nate View Post
    How many PAs is that?
    145 PA in the 2 hole, vs 467 PA in the leadoff role where his OPS is an ugly .641

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    Re: cozart back at the 2 hole!

    It's kind of amazing, really, the difference in his splits from lead-off to the 2-hole. Clearly a much smaller sample size in the 2 but still.

    Hopefully this will be a spot he can thrive!

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    Re: cozart back at the 2 hole!

    Quote Originally Posted by RedsfaninMT View Post
    145 PA in the 2 hole, vs 467 PA in the leadoff role where his OPS is an ugly .641
    OK.

    I think it's likely, given more opportunities to hit 2nd, he'll produce similarly to his career numbers than 2012 Ben Zobrist.
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    Re: cozart back at the 2 hole!

    Quote Originally Posted by nate View Post
    OK.

    I think it's likely, given more opportunities to hit 2nd, he'll produce similarly to his career numbers than 2012 Ben Zobrist.
    This. At Cozart's age, he is who he is. But, considering Baker's options at the moment, hitting Cozart there for a few games while he is hitting well is fine.
    ...the 2-2 to Woodsen and here it comes...and it is swung on and missed! And Tom Browning has pitched a perfect game! Twenty-seven outs in a row, and he is being mobbed by his teammates, just to the thirdbase side of the mound.

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    Re: cozart back at the 2 hole!

    Putting a hitter in a different slot in the batting order doesn't change his swing or his talent. Expecting different performance based on moving a guy in the batting order is crazy. It is just small sample size randomness.

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    Re: cozart back at the 2 hole!

    Quote Originally Posted by AtomicDumpling View Post
    Putting a hitter in a different slot in the batting order doesn't change his swing or his talent. Expecting different performance based on moving a guy in the batting order is crazy. It is just small sample size randomness.
    It's been proven in study after study that some people perform better at their jobs when they're happy and comfortable. Baseball is no exemption to typical psychology.

    His talent wouldn't change in the two hole, but it's possible that if he's comfortable there he could maximize said talent. Perhaps he can more often sit dead red with Votto following him. Perhaps he's just comfortable there. Perhaps there are other explanations. Some of it is probably randomness, but one should not be so dismissive of the psychological and strategical impacts on where someone bats.
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    Re: cozart back at the 2 hole!

    Quote Originally Posted by AtomicDumpling View Post
    Putting a hitter in a different slot in the batting order doesn't change his swing or his talent. Expecting different performance based on moving a guy in the batting order is crazy. It is just small sample size randomness.
    It changes his approach and what pitches he sees, which is just as important for overall production as his skill. And some guys skills match up better with different slots. Hitters with patience do better lower in the order, as they are pitched around more. Agressive Fastball hitters do better earlier in the order, where they are more likely to be challenged.

    I don't think batting orders matter much, except for this point, some guys hit better in different slots in the order.
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