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    The first 12 games of 2012 were worse...

    Last year the first 12 games saw the Reds at 4-8, having lost two series to St.Louis and one to Washington. In that period, the Reds scored only 33 runs and giving up 39. This year, the Reds have scored over 60 runs in 12 games, but have given up 59--that's the difference. It's mostly been over the last 5 games. The bullpen in 15 innings in this last 6 games (counting the win against StL in the first game) have given up 21 hits and 14 runs.

    The starters haven't been sterling either, starting with Homer and Leake. In the last 34 innings (less than 6 innings per start), they've given up 39 hits and 24 runs. Take Cueto out of that number and the ERA goes from 5.56 to almost 7! Last April we didn't hit and this April we scored runs, but the pitching is horrible. Surely this will pass.
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    Re: The first 12 games of 2012 were worse...

    Thank you sir.

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    Yes but we didn't lose Cueto, Ludwick and Marshall last year by this time.

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    Re: The first 12 games of 2012 were worse...

    Quote Originally Posted by jhu1321 View Post
    Yes but we didn't lose Cueto, Ludwick and Marshall last year by this time.
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    Re: The first 12 games of 2012 were worse...

    Quote Originally Posted by jhu1321 View Post
    Yes but we didn't lose Cueto, Ludwick and Marshall last year by this time.
    True, but if you remember, Cueto had lost two of his starts in this time last year and Ludwick was hitting on the Interstate. Homer was iffy and Latos was having a horrible time. I hoping for Johnny back in May and for Homer and Mat to do better (ever notice that early on, having Latos go more than 6 innings is a real risk--like Arroyo, he loses it fast).

    I'm also hoping that Dusty sees what's going on with his staff that he will have a quicker hook. Not only did he leave Mat in too long today, but just like yesterday, he let the relievers get pounded. But Dusty is Dusty and it won't change anything most likely. But until we totally tank, I'll still think we will win the division,
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    Re: The first 12 games of 2012 were worse...

    Quote Originally Posted by jhu1321 View Post
    Yes but we didn't lose Cueto, Ludwick and Marshall last year by this time.
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    Re: The first 12 games of 2012 were worse...

    Quote Originally Posted by jhu1321 View Post
    Yes but we didn't lose Cueto, Ludwick and Marshall last year by this time.
    Reds lost Madsen, Massett, by this time, and eventually Rolen for about half the season and Votto for two months.

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    Re: The first 12 games of 2012 were worse...

    Quote Originally Posted by jhu1321 View Post
    Yes but we didn't lose Cueto, Ludwick and Marshall last year by this time.
    Ludwick was hitting about like Heisey though. I definitely didn't see his breakout coming, I was screaming cut him.
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    Re: The first 12 games of 2012 were worse...

    Quote Originally Posted by Griffey012 View Post
    Ludwick was hitting about like Heisey though. I definitely didn't see his breakout coming, I was screaming cut him.
    Uh...didn't he get hurt in the first game of the year? Wouldn't it be equally true that he was hitting like Mike Trout, or Babe Ruth, or Eddie Gaedel, or me?

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    Quote Originally Posted by redssince75 View Post
    Uh...didn't he get hurt in the first game of the year? Wouldn't it be equally true that he was hitting like Mike Trout, or Babe Ruth, or Eddie Gaedel, or me?
    I was talking about early last season. I was replying to a quote that said we also didn't have Cueto, Ludwick, and Marshall on the DL at this time last year. To which I was simply saying I was screaming cut Ludwick at this time last year, so I may leave him out of the equation when comparing the two starts because we didn't have a LF answer yet at this time last season, and we don't at the moment due to his injury.
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    Re: The first 12 games of 2012 were worse...

    Quote Originally Posted by redssince75 View Post
    Uh...didn't he get hurt in the first game of the year? Wouldn't it be equally true that he was hitting like Mike Trout, or Babe Ruth, or Eddie Gaedel, or me?
    I think he is referring to his emotions last year early season about ludwick.

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    Re: The first 12 games of 2012 were worse...

    I don't care about the record. Even losing Marshall and Ludwick isn't terrible. But, if Cueto is out 10 weeks (seems to be about standard for a Lat issue) I'm pretty concerned.

    It begins to take a toll on the team. Ludwick, then Marshall and now Cueto. It's kind of like you're on the edge of a cliff. At this point they're one more serious injury away from being in pretty bad shape.

    Any team that loses their ace is in trouble. Any team that loses their ace, cleanup hitter and maybe most reliable reliever. Well, good luck.

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    Re: The first 12 games of 2012 were worse...

    Quote Originally Posted by NeilHamburger View Post
    I don't care about the record. Even losing Marshall and Ludwick isn't terrible. But, if Cueto is out 10 weeks (seems to be about standard for a Lat issue) I'm pretty concerned.

    It begins to take a toll on the team. Ludwick, then Marshall and now Cueto. It's kind of like you're on the edge of a cliff. At this point they're one more serious injury away from being in pretty bad shape.

    Any team that loses their ace is in trouble. Any team that loses their ace, cleanup hitter and maybe most reliable reliever. Well, good luck.
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    Things are so bad right now I would sign up for the WC game and be happy to play it on the road with our #5 at this point. Last year I knew we had our guys 100% and Ludwick would eventually hit after getting out of terrible hitters parks and I knew Latos wasn't as bad as he was in April.

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    Re: The first 12 games of 2012 were worse...

    Last year was different because the question was offense.

    This year it's pitching, mostly due to injuries.

    Cueto is you number 1 starter. The number 1 starter is normally the team's most important player. I think that is true for the Reds.

    Marshall and Lecure are out, presumably for a short time, but their loss was already felt this week. I think the pitching staff is much weaker with these two relievers out.

    So unlike last year, this year we have to focus more on the pitching staff. I think health will play a big role.

    At full strength, I think this is a very solid starting staff and a superb bullpen. But without the top starter and with two good relievers out, it becomes more of a concern.


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