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    Re: The first 12 games of 2012 were worse...

    Latos, Bailey, Arroyo, Leake, Cingrani....

    ...teams have won with worse. The Reds will then get a nice Memorial Day acquisition named Johnny Cueto who should be well rested and strong in September and October.

    Might be a blessing in disguise.
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    Re: The first 12 games of 2012 were worse...

    I'm not worried about the start. I'm mostly concerned with how we hit w/RISP. That was our biggest issue last year, and we're already seeing signs of it being a problem again.
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    Re: The first 12 games of 2012 were worse...

    Quote Originally Posted by mth123 View Post
    Latos, Bailey, Arroyo, Leake, Cingrani....

    ...teams have won with worse. The Reds will then get a nice Memorial Day acquisition named Johnny Cueto who should be well rested and strong in September and October.

    Might be a blessing in disguise.
    Well put !
    Also, I wouldnt mind seeing Mez getting a few more AB'S with Hanigan not doing much.It would be nice to see him step forward similar to the way Frazier did last season.

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    Re: The first 12 games of 2012 were worse...

    I'm with NYRed. The pitiful showings at the plate when a good AB is needed is what really discourages me.
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    Re: The first 12 games of 2012 were worse...

    Quote Originally Posted by TSJ55 View Post
    I'm with NYRed. The pitiful showings at the plate when a good AB is needed is what really discourages me.
    Hitting with RISP has never been this club's forte'. Who do you expect them to be.........the Cardinals?
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    Re: The first 12 games of 2012 were worse...

    Quote Originally Posted by New York Red View Post
    I'm not worried about the start. I'm mostly concerned with how we hit w/RISP. That was our biggest issue last year, and we're already seeing signs of it being a problem again.

    our offense isnīt a problem either... we scored plenty of runs but our problem is the timing...

    some blowout wins (nationals or cardinals) and next game our bats keep quite.. on the other side our pitching (yesterday for ex.) can improve too...

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    Re: The first 12 games of 2012 were worse...

    The Reds are 5th in the league in runs scored with RISP, 6 runs behind the Cardinals.

    To me, the real problem is our pitcher's control. They're giving up too many HR (next to last in the league HR/9) which isn't helped by a below average BB/9 (9th.)

    I think getting out of the first month of the season might help the pitching.
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    Re: The first 12 games of 2012 were worse...

    I wonder what Bill Bray is doing.

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    Re: The first 12 games of 2012 were worse...

    Quote Originally Posted by mdccclxix View Post
    I wonder what Bill Bray is doing.
    March 25:
    Lefty reliever Bill Bray has yet to pitch in a minor league game as he tries to fix his mechanics and find his arm slot. The Nationals say he is making good progress, but the process is taking time.
    I don't see a guy in that situation as a solution to any problem the Reds had in the first 12 games.
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    Re: The first 12 games of 2012 were worse...

    Quote Originally Posted by TSJ55 View Post
    I'm with NYRed. The pitiful showings at the plate when a good AB is needed is what really discourages me.


    They scored 7 runs yesterday.

    They are averaging over 5 runs a game.

    They have scored 5+ runs a game in 7 of their games.
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    Re: The first 12 games of 2012 were worse...

    Quote Originally Posted by Raisor View Post
    They scored 7 runs yesterday.

    They are averaging over 5 runs a game.

    They have scored 5+ runs a game in 7 of their games.
    If you look at the stats, offense is not the problem. Not remotely. Yes -- they still strike out a lot, they have periods where clutch hits are hard to come by.

    But their overall offensive numbers are fine and one can fairly assume that, with this personnel, they will continue to hit with the better teams in the league.

    The pitching numbers are poor. They are now at 4.54 ERA, 12th in the league. Reds have allowed 18 homers, next to worst in the league. OPS against is third worst in league.

    Right now, the pitching needs to get straightened out.

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    Re: The first 12 games of 2012 were worse...

    Quote Originally Posted by Raisor View Post
    They scored 7 runs yesterday.

    They are averaging over 5 runs a game.

    They have scored 5+ runs a game in 7 of their games.
    So do these numbers make up for and/or supersede the numbers that T. Gack posted in the other thread? Especially the strikeouts....co-leading the MLB in Ks with the possibility of driving runners in? That's pitiful.

    No reason that an above average team (as the Reds are touted to be) should fail to put the ball in the play more often when it's needed the most.

    We currently rank dead last in MLB with 4.67 runners left on base/game.

    We're ranked 18th in the league in Avg w/ RISP.

    We're T-1st in MLB in K's w/ RISP.
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    Re: The first 12 games of 2012 were worse...

    Quote Originally Posted by TSJ55 View Post
    So do these numbers make up for and/or supersede the numbers that T. Gack posted in the other thread? Especially the strikeouts....co-leading the MLB in Ks with the possibility of driving runners in? That's pitiful.

    No reason that an above average team (as the Reds are touted to be) should fail to put the ball in the play more often when it's needed the most.
    Guess you didn't see how I replied in that thread:

    Quote Originally Posted by Raisor View Post
    Reds are 7th in the Majors and 5th in the NL in Runs Scored (With runners in Scoring Position)
    So yeah, looks like those numbers make up for the K's.

    At least so far.
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    Re: The first 12 games of 2012 were worse...

    I think what's scaring me the most is how we pitched against the Pirates this weekend -- a team that barely managed runs in the plural against the CUBS early this year. It was a maddening series to say the best.

    Thankfully, back to GABP this week. Take 2/3 from Philly, 2/3 from one of the Marlins or Cubs and sweep the other....7-2 run. Suddenly we're sitting at 12-9. Much better sounding, right?

    One can hope anyway..

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    Re: The first 12 games of 2012 were worse...

    Quote Originally Posted by Raisor View Post
    Guess you didn't see how I replied in that thread:

    So yeah, looks like those numbers make up for the K's.

    At least so far.
    Oh no, I saw it. Just b/c you post some numbers that contradict some other numbers doesn't really do much for me w/o an explanation of what you think they mean. Thanks for the clarification, however I don't agree.

    Average runs per game doesn't prove anything to me really. A couple of outliers can skew that number. Leading The Bigs in K's w/ RISP is enexcusable though.
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