Seems all are agreed that the worst case scenario is that the Reds paid market price. Sounds like a good deal to me.Originally Posted by RadfordVA
Seems all are agreed that the worst case scenario is that the Reds paid market price. Sounds like a good deal to me.
“Every level he goes to, he is going to compete. They will know who he is at every level he goes to.” -- ED on EDLC
Bruce 0 for 4 with 4 K's today in Oak. This IS Jay Bruce. Carries the team for a while, then goes ice cold for a while. I still wouldn't trade him.
How you can say that one game is a player is beyond me, but glad you wouldn't trade him.
“Every level he goes to, he is going to compete. They will know who he is at every level he goes to.” -- ED on EDLC
Well, he was 0-4 with 2 K's yesterday. Still, only 2 games. Yet we have seen this before.
And yet he has been easily our best player by far over the last month.
lol this board man
“I don’t care,” Votto said of passing his friend and former teammate. “He’s in the past. Bye-bye, Jay.”
I'm sure this has been talked about before, but how many times have the Bruce vs Dunn comparisons come up? If so, is that looked as a negative by Reds fans?
The two are much different players. For one, Adam has a much better batting eye, but strikes out way more often. Furthermore, Jay plays great defense and Adam never did. Adam was never worth the big contract because all he could do was hit. Jay is worth the contract because he plays great defense and has a good bat.
I know they're very different players. I would agree Jay plays better defense. But hitting wise. . .ehhh, I would definitely say Adam.
Through 5 Full seasons:
Jay Bruce (2412AB): HR:134 RBI:376 K's:634 AB/K:3.80 WAR13.6 OPS+/yr 11.8
Adam Dunn (2271AB): HR:158 RBI:374 K's:733 AB/K:3.09 WAR9.7 OPS+/yr 132
I don't understand what point you are trying to make. Are you wondering if Reds fans will turn on Jay Bruce like they did against Adam Dunn because of the strikeouts? If so, I can see some fans getting frustrated with Jay's Ks. However, I was trying to insinuate that Jay brings much more to the table because he is lightyears better than Adam Dunn in the field.
I have always been an apologist for Adam Dunn as a hitter since he came up. So if Jay Bruce becomes Adam Dunn with the stick and also plays a good leftfield, I think we will have a solid core piece for a while. That being said, I do not expect Jay to ever walk to Dunn's level and fortunately, he will never strike out as much. Those are major differentiators.
One of the worst posts I have ever read on here.
My point was two-fold: 1) I think a lot of Reds fans aren't high on Dunn because of his K's/low average/etc and Bruce is very comparable to him so far 2) I think the majority of fans like Bruce more than they ever did for Dunn even though I believe Dunn was a better player through their first five seasons.
I agree that a lot of Reds fans do/did not like Adam Dunn because of the high Ks and low batting average, but Jay Bruce's career K rate is 4.5% lower than Adam Dunn's which is a considerable margin. Furthermore, Jay has a .258 career BA and Dunn has a .238 career BA. Again a major difference. These guys are much different hitters.
Why would you think Dunn is the better player if you just posted that Jay had a WAR of 13.6 in his first five years and Dunn had a WAR of 9.7 in his first five years? Clearly, Jay's defensive supremacy adds a lot more value to the table.
Suddenly I remember why I don't come to this site very often now
Don't forget Dunn is one of the WORST outfielders in the modern era. (-26.5 in 13 years with a high of -5.2 in one year). Bruce's dWAR over the same period is almost +2.0 dWAR higher per year than Dunn's.
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