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    Re: Jay Bruce looks like he has become a professional hitter overnight!!!!!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by RadfordVA View Post
    Pretty sure every team has players that fan bases grow frustrated by. Upton brothers both probably seen it in Tampa and Arizona. I remember Rolen having a difficult time in Philadelphia despite doing nothing but produce.

    I see limitations in Bruce without hating him. Some never get over the hype but again not unique to Reds fans it is MLB wide. One thing that I love about Bruce is he has been very dependable. Rarely missing any time.
    Sure they do, Reds fans eat their own though, Nuxhall in 1960, Larkin and the Captains C, Junior's whole tenure.

    Shoot I bet they dogged Buck Ewing, Ethan Allen and Miller Huggins too, all local boys.

    Pete though has remained teflon in that regard.

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    I will be very surprised if Reds fans in general ever turn against Jay Bruce the way many did with regard to Adam Dunn. Dunn was very much a two trick pony, with his positive contributions being limited to 40 HR power and 100+ walks. Despite being a .300 hitter in the minors Dunn was never able to consistently keep his batting average above even .250 in the majors, he struck out at a record pace, he was not a good baserunner and he was a poor outfielder.
    In contrast, Bruce is a somewhat better hitter for average even if his OBP is lower than that of Dunn since he walks much less often, he doesn't strike out as often as Dunn, he is a good fielder and he is a better baserunner than Dunn.
    Dunn had his peak season at age 24 and thereafter was always a bit of a disappointment since he did not improve. While Bruce has yet to become the player many fans expected him to be, he has generally shown improvement throughout his major league career.
    While Bruce is certainly not a tiny fellow, he is not the giant that Dunn was, and I think Dunn's massive size may have unfairly caused some fans to expect more of him than was warranted, and to make it appear that Dunn was not giving his full effort.
    While neither Dunn nor Bruce are extroverts like Brandon Phillips, Bruce does seem to have a bit more outgoing personality than did Dunn, which will probably also help him remain in the good graces of more Reds fans.
    Finally, during Dunn's tenure with the Reds, the Reds never were a winning team, whereas the Reds have twice made the post season while Bruce was on the team, and despite the recent slump, are still contenders this season.
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    Re: Jay Bruce looks like he has become a professional hitter overnight!!!!!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by westofyou View Post
    Sure they do, Reds fans eat their own though, Nuxhall in 1960, Larkin and the Captains C, Junior's whole tenure.

    Shoot I bet they dogged Buck Ewing, Ethan Allen and Miller Huggins too, all local boys.

    Pete though has remained teflon in that regard.
    Jor Morgan was booed by Reds fans in his final season in Cincinnati, 1979. Morgan was no longer the player he had been and quite a few Reds fans gave him no slack despite his greatness between 1972 and 1977.
    Actually I can recall Pete Rose and Johnny Bench having their critics. About the only Reds player I cannot recall being booed was Tony Perez.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wheels View Post
    Eric Davis was Adam Dunn and Jay Bruce combined. 1988-1991 was brutal.
    This is true. The fanbase brutalized him as well. With glee at times. The way that happens with this team over the years has always made me sad.

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    Real shocker that Reds fans gave Junior, Larkin, and Davis a hard time while they all love Pete "Gamblin" Rose.

    One of these things is not like the others...
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    Re: Jay Bruce looks like he has become a professional hitter overnight!!!!!!!

    I was 5 in 1990, could someone explain a little bit on the Eric Davis and Reds fans stuff?

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    Re: Jay Bruce looks like he has become a professional hitter overnight!!!!!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by kbrake View Post
    I was 5 in 1990, could someone explain a little bit on the Eric Davis and Reds fans stuff?
    For starters, see: "Strikeouts, Marty, hates."
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    Re: Jay Bruce looks like he has become a professional hitter overnight!!!!!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by wheels View Post
    Eric Davis was Adam Dunn and Jay Bruce combined. 1988-1991 was brutal.
    My memory is that '88-90 were his golden years, after the WS he was brutalized and probably thankful the Internet was not around. Of course, he was never the same player after he lacerated the kidney diving in the 90 WS.

    I've seen every Red play since 1968 to the present, as many others here have as well. I don't think I've ever seen as much talent in one player. When he was healthy, E could do it all, and steal a base anytime he wanted to. On the base paths, Morgan had nothing on Eric Davis.

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    Re: Jay Bruce looks like he has become a professional hitter overnight!!!!!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by kbrake View Post
    I was 5 in 1990, could someone explain a little bit on the Eric Davis and Reds fans stuff?
    Eric Davis was a guy who got hurt a lot, and didn't play when he was hurt. Not sure if it was his decision or not?

    The most games he played in a year for the Reds was 135

    That rubbed a lot of older Reds fans the wrong way. Back in the day, I can clearly remember my dad and his buddies referring to him as "Erica"
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    Re: Jay Bruce looks like he has become a professional hitter overnight!!!!!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Always Red View Post
    My memory is that '88-90 were his golden years, after the WS he was brutalized and probably thankful the Internet was not around. Of course, he was never the same player after he lacerated the kidney diving in the 90 WS.

    I've seen every Red play since 1968 to the present, as many others here have as well. I don't think I've ever seen as much talent in one player. When he was healthy, E could do it all, and steal a base anytime he wanted to. On the base paths, Morgan had nothing on Eric Davis.
    1986 and 1987 he was a machine, he is the reason I began to pay attention to Reds baseball again .346/.420/.786/1.206 after April and May

    No body fat and easy to bang up... he was a god among boys

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    YEAR TEAM         AGE G    AB    R    H    2B  3B  HR   HR%   RBI  BB   SO   SB   CS  AVG   SLG  OBA   OPS
    1986 Reds         24  132   415   97  115  15   3  27   6.51   71   68  100   80  11  .277  .523  .378  .901 
    1987 Reds         25  129   474  120  139  23   4  37   7.81  100   84  134   50   6  .293  .593  .399  .991 
    1988 Reds         26  135   472   81  129  18   3  26   5.51   93   65  124   35   3  .273  .489  .363  .852 
    1989 Reds         27  131   462   74  130  14   2  34   7.36  101   68  116   21   7  .281  .541  .367  .908 
         TOTALS           527  1823  372  513  70  12 124   6.80  365  285  474  186  27  .281  .537  .377  .914 
         LG AVERAGE            1771  223  460  82  12  42   2.40  208  176  284   50  22  .260  .392  .328  .719 
         POS AVERAGE           1780  253  472  77  17  38   2.16  191  181  311   98  34  .265  .393  .334  .726

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    Re: Jay Bruce looks like he has become a professional hitter overnight!!!!!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by westofyou View Post
    1986 and 1987 he was a machine, he is the reason I began to pay attention to Reds baseball again .346/.420/.786/1.206 after April and May

    No body fat and easy to bang up... he was a god among boys

    86-89

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    YEAR TEAM         AGE G    AB    R    H    2B  3B  HR   HR%   RBI  BB   SO   SB   CS  AVG   SLG  OBA   OPS
    1986 Reds         24  132   415   97  115  15   3  27   6.51   71   68  100   80  11  .277  .523  .378  .901 
    1987 Reds         25  129   474  120  139  23   4  37   7.81  100   84  134   50   6  .293  .593  .399  .991 
    1988 Reds         26  135   472   81  129  18   3  26   5.51   93   65  124   35   3  .273  .489  .363  .852 
    1989 Reds         27  131   462   74  130  14   2  34   7.36  101   68  116   21   7  .281  .541  .367  .908 
         TOTALS           527  1823  372  513  70  12 124   6.80  365  285  474  186  27  .281  .537  .377  .914 
         LG AVERAGE            1771  223  460  82  12  42   2.40  208  176  284   50  22  .260  .392  .328  .719 
         POS AVERAGE           1780  253  472  77  17  38   2.16  191  181  311   98  34  .265  .393  .334  .726
    Seasons like his are reasons I would pay a lot of money to be able to watch a random game from any season on demand. Would love to be able to see his 1987 on a daily basis and not just highlights.

    MLB only gives us the no hitters and perfect games and playoffs. There is great beauty in watching a random game from a great season I think. Also some suspense as you wouldn't know how the single game played out unless you looked it up.

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    Re: Jay Bruce looks like he has become a professional hitter overnight!!!!!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by westofyou View Post
    Sure they do, Reds fans eat their own though, Nuxhall in 1960, Larkin and the Captains C, Junior's whole tenure.

    Shoot I bet they dogged Buck Ewing, Ethan Allen and Miller Huggins too, all local boys.

    Pete though has remained teflon in that regard.
    What's the story on Nuxhy?

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    Re: Jay Bruce looks like he has become a professional hitter overnight!!!!!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Crumbley View Post
    What's the story on Nuxhy?
    I was only age 5 in 1960 so I have no memory of Nuxhall that season, but I imagine Reds fans turned sour on the then 31 year old lefthander after a season in which he went 1-8 with a 4.42 ERA (his ERA+ was 86). Nuxhall was traded, and though he returned to the Reds in '62 he was not a member of the 1961 Reds, the only Reds team during his playing career to make the World Series.
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    Re: Jay Bruce looks like he has become a professional hitter overnight!!!!!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by reds44 View Post
    Real shocker that Reds fans gave Junior, Larkin, and Davis a hard time while they all love Pete "Gamblin" Rose.

    One of these things is not like the others...
    During his career fans were not aware of Rose's gambling. Rose had a couple of virtues fans love: He played hard, every game, and he played every game. While they were with the Reds, Junior, Larkin and Davis all had seasons in which they were hurt and out of the lineup a lot.
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    Re: Jay Bruce looks like he has become a professional hitter overnight!!!!!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Crumbley View Post
    What's the story on Nuxhy?
    Horrible year, said every time he stuck his head out of the dugout he was booed, loud and hard. Said it was hard to deal with


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