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    Re: Jay Bruce looks like he has become a professional hitter overnight!!!!!!!

    I don't want to get in a debate about whether it is right or wrong, but the fact of the matter is a lot of the guys listed had VERY high expectations and fair or unfair they have not met them. As a result they are always crushed for what they are not rather than acknowleged for what they do. Being completely honest looking back at the time if I told you.....

    Back in 2008
    By the end of the 2012 season that the BEST year for Jay Bruce would be .353/.493/.846.

    Back in 2007
    By the end of the 2012 season Homer Bailey would be a solid starter with a career total of 38 Wins

    Back in 2000
    Ken Griffey Jr would come to the Reds after hitting 209 HRs in his previous 4 season with Seattle and hit 210 over 9 seasons with the Reds, topping 40 once and being injured all the time.

    Barry Larkin was kind of an odd situation. I think he met expectations, but he was injured too much. The other thing that hurt him is his last 2 contract negotiotions were very public and contentious. Nobody every looks good making millions of dollars and saying they are underpaid.

    Eric Davis I think was a completely different situation. His '86 season was like nothing I had ever seen. He was Mike Trout before Mike Trout was born. If he did not get dinged up I have no doubt he would have been a 50/50 guy. The problem is he was always dinged up and never came close to approaching that level again. He was a painful example of what could have been.

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    Re: Jay Bruce looks like he has become a professional hitter overnight!!!!!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by krm1580 View Post
    I don't want to get in a debate about whether it is right or wrong, but the fact of the matter is a lot of the guys listed had VERY high expectations and fair or unfair they have not met them. As a result they are always crushed for what they are not rather than acknowleged for what they do. Being completely honest looking back at the time if I told you.....

    Back in 2008
    By the end of the 2012 season that the BEST year for Jay Bruce would be .353/.493/.846.

    Back in 2007
    By the end of the 2012 season Homer Bailey would be a solid starter with a career total of 38 Wins

    Back in 2000
    Ken Griffey Jr would come to the Reds after hitting 209 HRs in his previous 4 season with Seattle and hit 210 over 9 seasons with the Reds, topping 40 once and being injured all the time.

    Barry Larkin was kind of an odd situation. I think he met expectations, but he was injured too much. The other thing that hurt him is his last 2 contract negotiotions were very public and contentious. Nobody every looks good making millions of dollars and saying they are underpaid.

    Eric Davis I think was a completely different situation. His '86 season was like nothing I had ever seen. He was Mike Trout before Mike Trout was born. If he did not get dinged up I have no doubt he would have been a 50/50 guy. The problem is he was always dinged up and never came close to approaching that level again. He was a painful example of what could have been.
    Jury is still out on Jay and Homer, and both are trending up.
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    Re: Jay Bruce looks like he has become a professional hitter overnight!!!!!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by RedEye View Post
    Jury is still out on Jay and Homer, and both are trending up.
    That's the thing I like most about Jay (and the reason I don't understand the criticism he receives from so many Reds fans). His HR total has increased every year of his career (the only 20+ HR player in history to do that 5 straight years). His RBI total has increased every year. His Doubles total has increased every year, other than his second year when he played the fewest games of his Reds career. And for the 'OPS is everything crowd' that number has improved every year also, with one exception. He isn't a finished product, so why judge him as if he is?
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    Quote Originally Posted by krm1580 View Post
    Barry Larkin was kind of an odd situation. I think he met expectations, but he was injured too much. The other thing that hurt him is his last 2 contract negotiations were very public and contentious. Nobody ever looks good making millions of dollars and saying they are underpaid.
    These are very good points -- probably worthy of a separate thread -- but good points nonetheless. Without breaking out a calculator, I'd say Barry missed roughly 1/3 of the possible games he could have played in his career. Without all those injuries, he would have easily been a member of the 3000 hit club. I always thought him missing so many games was the reason Reds management didn't want to pay him more. Everything else about him was a no-brainer.
    "I talked to an advance scout that told me if Joey Votto and Albert Pujols were on the same team he'd advise his team to do the unthinkable...pitch around Votto to get to Pujols." - Buster Olney, ESPN

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    Re: Jay Bruce looks like he has become a professional hitter overnight!!!!!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by New York Red View Post
    These are very good points -- probably worthy of a separate thread -- but good points nonetheless. Without breaking out a calculator, I'd say Barry missed roughly 1/3 of the possible games he could have played in his career. Without all those injuries, he would have easily been a member of the 3000 hit club. I always thought him missing so many games was the reason Reds management didn't want to pay him more. Everything else about him was a no-brainer.
    75% is the number in total (not counting his half season in 86)

    81% from 87-99
    41% is the percentage in the 2000's

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    Re: Jay Bruce looks like he has become a professional hitter overnight!!!!!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by New York Red View Post
    These are very good points -- probably worthy of a separate thread -- but good points nonetheless. Without breaking out a calculator, I'd say Barry missed roughly 1/3 of the possible games he could have played in his career. Without all those injuries, he would have easily been a member of the 3000 hit club. I always thought him missing so many games was the reason Reds management didn't want to pay him more. Everything else about him was a no-brainer.
    The much bigger issue with Larkin and the Reds, for lack of a better term, was "trust issues". Larkin questioned the organizations commitment to winning and spoke openly about leaving either via trade or FA to a winner. The Reds were not looking to commit a bucket full of money to a guy who did not want to be a Red and publically questioned the organization. The injuries added to it but they were not the only reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by krm1580 View Post
    The much bigger issue with Larkin and the Reds, for lack of a better term, was "trust issues". Larkin questioned the organizations commitment to winning and spoke openly about leaving either via trade or FA to a winner. The Reds were not looking to commit a bucket full of money to a guy who did not want to be a Red and publically questioned the organization. The injuries added to it but they were not the only reason.
    He questioned the worst two ownerships on team history.

    Bravo says I, Bravo

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    Re: Jay Bruce looks like he has become a professional hitter overnight!!!!!!!

    .318 OBP

    106 K/25 BB

    Not good.
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    Re: Jay Bruce looks like he has become a professional hitter overnight!!!!!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by reds44 View Post
    .318 OBP

    106 K/25 BB

    Not good.
    .346 wOBA, 3rd amongst NL RF.

    Not bad.
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    Re: Jay Bruce looks like he has become a professional hitter overnight!!!!!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by nate View Post
    .346 wOBA, 3rd amongst NL RF.

    Not bad.
    .818 OPS

    eh.
    They don't think it be like it is, but it do.
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    He has also taught me that even when the Reds win it is important to focus on the fact that they could have lost.

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    Re: Jay Bruce looks like he has become a professional hitter overnight!!!!!!!

    Zips doesn't even project him to get to 3 wins again this year FWIW, and that's even projecting him to play better than he has so far.

    I like Jay, but the hypersensitivity to criticism of him around these parts can be a bit much.
    They don't think it be like it is, but it do.
    Quote Originally Posted by Larry Schuler View Post
    He has also taught me that even when the Reds win it is important to focus on the fact that they could have lost.

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    Re: Jay Bruce looks like he has become a professional hitter overnight!!!!!!!

    He's our own Joe Carter

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    Re: Jay Bruce looks like he has become a professional hitter overnight!!!!!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by westofyou View Post
    He's our own Joe Carter
    Not a bad comp, maybe Joe Carter plus, except with the ability to field some.
    They don't think it be like it is, but it do.
    Quote Originally Posted by Larry Schuler View Post
    He has also taught me that even when the Reds win it is important to focus on the fact that they could have lost.

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    Re: Jay Bruce looks like he has become a professional hitter overnight!!!!!!!

    Jay is going to hit a game winning HR in the WS then, yes!

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    Quote Originally Posted by westofyou View Post
    He's our own Joe Carter
    He may be another Joe Carter, but he's OUR Joe Carter!

    Wait... you already said that, didn't you.


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