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    Re: Basketball Rule Change Idea

    Quote Originally Posted by RedsManRick View Post
    It would be the whole game, TD. The basic contention is that fouling should never confer an advantage to the fouling team.

    I don't understand the situation you described above with the team holding the ball for minutes at a time. There is still a shot clock and it's not that hard to play tough defense, press, etc. and to not foul. Yeah, you're right, if a team is too aggressive going for steals and keeps fouling, they could give the game away; I'd suggest they probably wouldn't do that.
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    Re: Basketball Rule Change Idea

    One thing I think may still allow comebacks is if the team behind is in the bonus and has a player that can draw fouls. They get 2 shots and the ball, or an easier, less contested shot at least.

    I think if the bonus limit was raised (are we talking about the bonus or double bonus?) to say 9 or 10, then the double bonus kicked in the rule change suggested you might see refs allow an even tougher style of play? or they might go back to calling hand checks and free things up for higher scoring. Could go either way. In both cases, you'd start to get more Paul Janish players on teams that can basically barely dribble but are good defenders.

    I don't know, another thing that separates basketball from these other sports is that there are 340 division one teams. In any given year, 150 of them could win a game against a top opponent. That kind of parity is important for the health of the sport.

    Simply making your free throws is a hugely important skill in the game, and one incidentally that is fading in the mens game.

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    Re: Basketball Rule Change Idea

    Quote Originally Posted by mdccclxix View Post
    One thing I think may still allow comebacks is if the team behind is in the bonus and has a player that can draw fouls. They get 2 shots and the ball, or an easier, less contested shot at least.

    I think if the bonus limit was raised (are we talking about the bonus or double bonus?) to say 9 or 10, then the double bonus kicked in the rule change suggested you might see refs allow an even tougher style of play? or they might go back to calling hand checks and free things up for higher scoring. Could go either way. In both cases, you'd start to get more Paul Janish players on teams that can basically barely dribble but are good defenders.

    I don't know, another thing that separates basketball from these other sports is that there are 340 division one teams. In any given year, 150 of them could win a game against a top opponent. That kind of parity is important for the health of the sport.

    Simply making your free throws is a hugely important skill in the game, and one incidentally that is fading in the mens game.
    Not a whole lot of research to back up that claim. In fact, FT% has stayed pretty much flat for the last 50 years: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/04/sp...ted=1&_r=3&hp&

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    Quote Originally Posted by RiverRat13 View Post
    Not a whole lot of research to back up that claim. In fact, FT% has stayed pretty much flat for the last 50 years: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/04/sp...ted=1&_r=3&hp&
    Ha, I stand corrected.

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    Re: Basketball Rule Change Idea

    I would be for making fouls more punitive if we also lower shot clock times to 25 seconds.
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    Re: Basketball Rule Change Idea

    Along a different line, I got this off twitter :

    Andy Katz reporting rules committee voting on lowering shot clock from 35 to 30 seconds in college basketball
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    Re: Basketball Rule Change Idea

    I would love to see the shot clock shortened. I would like the NBA's 24, but 30 is a step in the right direction.

    Any sport with a clock has the same problem (albeit in different forms.) It always feels somewhat unsatisfying when a football team get a first down with 1:30 left and then takes a knee for three downs. The same goes with foul fests and time wasting in soccer. Hockey is the only clock based sport where this doesn't pose as much of an obstacle, but that is based on the speed of the game and the rapid changes in possession. Maybe all of those flaws are one of the reasons we populate a message board about a sport where you have to play completely to the end.
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    Re: Basketball Rule Change Idea

    I think the rule proposed will make the games move faster but they will also eliminate many comeback opportunities.
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    Re: Basketball Rule Change Idea

    There are other instances in sports where a team benefits from breaking the rules. Delay of game in football to get a better angle on a field goal. (I have always wondered why the defensive team could not decline that penalty and, in effect, say kick it from right here.) I have seen teams delay of game to run time off the clock. Take a delay of game to get a better distance for the punter. Icing the puck in hockey to kill off a penalty. These things happen.
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    Re: Basketball Rule Change Idea

    Quote Originally Posted by improbus View Post
    I think the rule proposed will make the games move faster but they will also eliminate many comeback opportunities.
    Along the lines as what you are saying, this will result in more possessions per game which should benefit the upper tier teams.

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    Re: Basketball Rule Change Idea

    Quote Originally Posted by texasdave View Post
    There are other instances in sports where a team benefits from breaking the rules. Delay of game in football to get a better angle on a field goal. (I have always wondered why the defensive team could not decline that penalty and, in effect, say kick it from right here.) I have seen teams delay of game to run time off the clock. Take a delay of game to get a better distance for the punter. Icing the puck in hockey to kill off a penalty. These things happen.
    I've never seen a delay of game penalty in order to improve the angle on a FG. I have seen it on punts. And you are incorrect. The other team can decline the penalty if they choose.

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    A team leading late in the game and backed up towards their own endzone will sometimes purposely take a safety (if they'll still have the lead) in order to get better field position vs. punting their opponents the ball.

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    Re: Basketball Rule Change Idea

    The only downside I see to this is how much control it would give to the referees.

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    Re: Basketball Rule Change Idea

    That, and making the NBA All-Star Game the template for what every NBA game would look like.
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    Re: Basketball Rule Change Idea

    Quote Originally Posted by Sea Ray View Post
    I've never seen a delay of game penalty in order to improve the angle on a FG. I have seen it on punts. And you are incorrect. The other team can decline the penalty if they choose.
    You are right. They can decline the penalty. I have seen teams purposely take the penalty to improve the angle on field goals. The point still remains that a team is potentially able to gain an advantage by breaking the rule.
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