Nice analysis, David. Why not give Robinson a week to 10 days in the 2-spot?
Old school 1983 -- you must know a little something about the game to be able to spot swing tendencies! I don't profess to know anything that detailed about hitting, but the way some of our guys are doing, I hope they read this forum and it helps. If so, they should track you down for some type of comp. :-)
On the pitching side, nice to see Marshall back, hope it's for a while and his shoulder holds. I know for years I've felt our overall lack of success was due to a lack of pitching, both starting and relieving (fill in the name of most MLB teams there). We'll we've got some decent pitchers now especially with the young kid (23) Cingrani in there doing fine. If he keeps that up, he'll be pushing Latos for my starting lineup spot. I got a chance to watch him a bit on MLB yesterday for the first time. Nice. The announcers kept saying how effortless he is, that the ball just pops.
We can't have both pitching and hitting at once, I guess, but it sure would be nice to have some of that hitting from the "old" days of mid-1970s when we just beat guys senseless. My wife being a Cubs fan (poor misguided soul, she did not like the Marshall trade), I do fondly recall a game from that era when we're down 10-0 early at Wrigley and came back and beat them. They weren't quitters, but our current team I think gives a very good effort as well.
Best to our guys vs. the Cards tonight.
Nope, having read several posts, I just got him confused with someone else who liked Robinson in the 2-spot and guess I was replying to the wrong post. It happens when you get to be an old geezer...
Ok, after re-reading this thread, I meant a different David, DavidMemphis, regarding his analysis. But don't get me wrong old school 1983, I enjoy the thoughtful remarks being put forth by nearly everyone in this forum, yours in particular. Well done.
I'm still learning how to use/quote/reply in this thread.
Regarding Cingrani, how about we keep him when Cueto comes back and use him as another LHP option out of the pen, or in these all too frequent extra-inning games when we need several innings out of someone? Instead send down one of our three 4-6+ ERA guys.
Now that the season is roughly 1/6 done, the central div. is looking like a dogfight again this year, esp. given our lengthening DL list. I'm not against a trade, but I sure don't like giving up pitching. I guess I'm a hoarder in that regard, we went so many years without much of it, it's nice to have it for a change.
Lutz up from AA for Heisey(now on DL with hamstring)? I hope he does well, but is that the best we've got down in the minors (batted .211 with five home runs and 14 RBIs in 21 games for Pensacola) ?
Would welcome input on what we can do to improve our starting lineup with a trade.
Robinson (10-day trial, please!)
I love to hoard pitching too, but as far as getting a guy to make an impact I think we'd have to give up pitching on some level. As far as players on our current roster go, I could see Frazier as a smart trade chip. Out of the players on the roster I think he'd have the most value in a trade, while his loss would have the lowest overall impact on the reds perfoance, especially if the guy you gained was a legit right handed clean up hitter or two hole hitter. Plus fraziers D would be easily replaceable. I see Frazier as a streaky Bruce like bat. I think a good balanced lineup can only really sustain one of those, and Bruce plays superior defense and is younger. I'm not saying give Frazier away or trade him for a rental. He'd have to be a part of a move that'd land one of my dream trade situations. Headley, fowler or Stanton.
CF Dexter Fowler, .300 avg, .389 OBP in 2012. Nice again.
I'll take your word for it the defense would improve with either of those. Our current OF seems a bit uncertain when it comes to leadership, hopefully that improves. CF needs to be in charge. As I recall, Geronimo didn't have a problem calling off Griffey or Foster.
RF Alex Rios, seems decent
CF David DeJesus .278/.352 obp
3B Michael Young .341/.412 nice season so far, Phillies might want an arm and a leg for that one, pun intended. Maybe two arms and a leg...
OF Josh Willingham, Twins, presume you mean this one. Hit a fair # of HR last year, SO ratio is about 3:1, nearly same as Jay Bruce. Bruce's D would be tough to part with.
Will take your word on Stanton.
Seems like you've hit the nail right on the head here, again. Lots of excellent points.
I think it'd take a bit to get young if the phillies go south but nothing crazy. He's in his mid thirties and I'm pretty sure in the last year of his contract. Willingham could be nice but I see him creating an outfield logjam with ludwick coming back and not improving the D much with choo in center. I think Headley would be an incredible pickup. I'd almost consider trading cueto for either him or fowler if cingrani continues to impress. Headley would help on so many levels.
1. Legit cleanup hitter. Protection for votto
2. Moves Phillips back to 2
3. Better D at third
4. Doesn't create outfield logjam and choo could move to left if Bham picks it up
5. Allows Frazier to be a supersub like last year where his average-ish D isn't in the lineup everyday, but his bat can still be an impact maybe in a platoon with ludwick who would be recovering or lutz or Bham if they prove ready.
6. Makes Frazier a possible trade chip combined with prospects for a pitcher to replace cueto if he's used in a trade.
I'd really like to see Robinson get a real chance to bat second, but it seems that his injury and dustys preference to play musical outfielders in left wont make that happen. That being the case maybe lutz should get a try. His speed is better than i anticipated. He has a short quick swing for a man of his size, and he has looked ok thus far at the plate. I like Paul but I think he's best used as a lunch hitter who can give a tough quality at bat in a clutch spot late in the game.
Last edited by Old school 1983; 05-08-2013 at 12:50 AM.